A few years ago I got invited to have a meeting with Andy Stanley and a few other folks from North Point Community Church. (If Rick Warren is the Lebron James of modern church life, then Andy Stanley is the Kevin Garnett. Team player, skilled beyond his years and able to rock the pulpit like few other people on the planet.)
When I walked into the office to meet with him I was already a little sweaty. I approached the secretary in the lobby and said, "I'm here for a meeting with Andy Stanley." She didn't outright laugh, but I'm fairly certain her feet giggled a little under the desk. With around 25,000 people attending North Point, I'm sure she is used to seeing her fair share of folks who wander in and feel like they might have something important to tell the pastor. She was incredibly polite and said, "I'll see if he's available. Why don't you sit down in the 'crazy person' section of our lobby and I'll type up your request in my invisible typewriter." (That last sentence was not true and was a direct steal from an episode of the Simpsons.)
Eventually she let me into the inner sanctum of the offices and I was able to go have the meeting. But sitting there in the lobby, watching her control the entire church world from a central command post I was reminded of a fact I often forget:
The secretary is the most powerful person in the church.
It's not the pastor. It's not the elders. It's not the deacons or even the pastoral search committee.
It's the church secretary.
But they're a mysterious lot. So few documentaries have been able to accurately study them in their natural habitat. And I'm not foolish enough to think that I possess the intelligence or the agility to properly document the life of a church secretary.
Instead though, I encourage you to send this list of questions to them. See if they'll invite you into their world, if only for a brief moment, so that we church members, we civilians if you will, can understand what is going on in the heart and mind of the church secretary.
Here are the questions I have:
1. Should I say "Church Administrative Assistant" instead of "Church Secretary?"
2. Do you have a "cuckoo person in the lobby" emergency button under your desk?
3. If so, can you please tell me who it notifies? (I bet it’s the janitor. Every church janitor I have ever known looks like they could cut you. Not would, but could. And not deep, just enough to let you know trash cans on wheels are not designed for races.)
4. Is it true that sometimes you write funny messages in the bulletin just to see who notices?
5. When you're mad at the pastor do you ever send him off to fake lunch appointments just so he’ll sit in some restaurant and stare at his watch for 30 minutes and be out of your hair? I probably would.
6. Do you have an arch nemesis that works at the church? It's gotta be the youth minister. They make the biggest messes, use the most liability waiver forms and probably occasionally do pranks that involve you needing to call animal rescue services to remove a small woodland creature from the sanctuary.
7. If you don’t have an arch nemesis, who would you leg sweep? I'm talking members, staff, volunteers. Who is getting the leg sweep?
8. How long did you keep the secret bathroom all to yourself without telling anyone else it existed?
9. Does the pastor ever tell you to create a rule so that certain people's emails go right to the spam folder instead of his inbox? Am I on the list? Shoot me straight.
10. Do you ever shot block volunteers out of love? Someone tells you "My kid is great at that Wii thing. I think he'd be good at designing your church website" and you reply, "Nah, we're good. Thanks though."
11. Are you ever tempted to wield the office supply requisition form like a powerful weapon? "Oh hey, you didn't remember professional admin day this year. Hope you enjoy the cheap bic pens that come in a 400 pack." That kind of thing. Ever do that?
12. Has a worship leader ever tried to write off hair product as a work expense?
If you're a church secretary, please feel free to set the record straight.
If you're not, but have a question of your own, please add it to the list.
Do you agree that the church secretary is the most powerful person at a church?
lol. thats why they are harder to replace than pastors...the good news, once you hire a good one...they will be there for the next 100 years...8-10 generations will come back tot he ice cream social when she finally retires.
ReplyDeletePhwow, I can't even imagine having a church big enough to warrant a secretary. :)
ReplyDeleteSadly, not always. I worked as a church secretary in a very dysfuntional set up. The staff didn't even let me know when they were on leave! I was excluded from staff meetings. You don't wnat to know any more...
ReplyDeleteI don't agree. They would be in the top five, however. Having worked in a church office setting for years, I completely sympathize with this post. Absolutely hilarious! And I would pay good money to watch a good documentary on the life of church secretaries.
ReplyDeleteWhen the only church secretary I ever knew concluded her job was too stressful, she decided to take it easy and go to law school. Then run her own law firm. That pretty much tells me what I need to know about the craziness of being a church secretary.
ReplyDeleteHeck yeah, they're the most powerul, because they have the power of INTERPRETATION. They (who hate being called "secretaries" and will leg sweep or Skittle-melt anybody who does) can make Andy Stanley or the other Andy (me) look like a goat, a gorilla, or God-like.
ReplyDeleteSomebody calls the office and asks for an appointment while I'm on the golf course for the first of two times the whole stinkin' year. She can say, "He's with the green family at the moment," OR "He's puttering around somewhere," OR "He's goofing off right now," OR "He would be delighted to meet with you at your earliest convenience... how does tomorrow look for you?"
Interpretation, friends. Inquiring minds want to know sometimes... what's it like to work there, or for him/them? All it takes is a roll of the eyes, a snicker, or a desperate get-me-outta-here stare to show who has the last word.
(Totally off the subject, but my verification word is "ficelogy." Tell me that ain't what it looks like.
I've decided not to attend certain churches because of the attitude of the secretary sometimes. I'm just being honest here.
ReplyDeleteThe fun part of being Youth pastor is the sheer number of arch nemesi (I think that is the plural for nemesis) you can develop. I don't really consider them enemies but I think they do.
ReplyDeleteOther fun ways to enrage the church secretary. Try to walk in just before anything is sent to wherever it goes for printing in your church and ask if it's too late to add something.
Put in a request for weird supplies that she/he'll have to look through every supply book for and then walk in a couple days later and say, "oh that, yeah I just made one" then hand a wadded up wet receipt for reimbursement.
Wait till the last possible second for all use requests.
Oh and most importantly make up as many words as possible for your bulletin announcements so spell check will go crazy with red lines. "No I want that spelled Xtreem Uth REV-o-luxion." Just start writing down your word verifications if you need help.
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ReplyDelete@elizabeth: wow. just, wow. :)
ReplyDeletewv: begalist, the - legal advisor that has had their wisdom teeth surgically removed and thus has trouble articulating properly.
I'm "blessed" to be the youth department secretary for our statewide denominational headquarters. That means that I'm at the beck and call of over 50 youth pastors. It also means that when they want to pull a prank and get it on video, I'm the one that they prank. So far, I've been slapped in the face, prank-called, and threatened by chester-cheetah-pajama-wearing terrorists. And I've only been here four years...
ReplyDeleteIf they show up here with small woodland creatures, I think I'll have to use my under-the-desk emergency button to call my janitor who was a Master Sergeant in the Army and swears that he knows sixteen ways to kill a person using only one finger...
I don't know, I think our financial secretary holds the power!
ReplyDeleteI visited a venerable downtown church while preparing for an adult ed seminar. Since it was July, I phoned ahead to make sure of the schedule. In clipped, no uncertain terms, I was informed "Worship is ALWAYS at 11:00 AM." I remarked to my wife that it sounded like it was chiseled in stone. Sure enough, carved (in 1905) into a heraldic shield at the church entrance "Worship 11:00 AM"
ReplyDeleteOur senior admin assistant makes the impossible happen and makes it look easy and you have to look really hard to find her hand in it.
By the way, such power is seen not only in church offices. As a young engineer in a department of fifty with numerous managers, the secretary informed me, "When the vice president is out of the office, I'M in charge." She also told me that I was going to be in top management, because of the way my signature looked.
Funny post. I'm the secretary for a church of 600 and 5 ministers, and I can tell you that I am definitely NOT the most powerful person in the church. The thought of taking out the youth minister with a leg swing is quite amusing. I wonder if I could make it look like an accident...:-)
ReplyDeleteI think the 90 year old deacon at our church is the most powerful man. He gets there at 8am and starts the coffee. Without him, nobody would be awake to hear the message.
ReplyDeleteI was a church secretary and I had everything but the ultimate power: the pastor's calendar! I might have sent him on faux lunch dates if I could have :) LOL there was a panic button at the church, but instead of the janitor,it immediately notified our IT person of impending doom in the server "closet"!
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, I think the secretary is the most "powerful."
ReplyDeleteMy experience as a Youth Director has led me to a few conclusions:
1. The church secretary is the one person I refuse to pull a prank on. Regardless of how big/great/genius the prank is, the secretary can always get you back better. Especially if the secretary has access to your sermon notes, announcements, or *gasp* can post things on the church website. Trust me on this one, a rubber snake in the secretary's desk drawer isn't worth what she can do to retaliate. Yes, I speak from experience.
2. Being in the office when the secretary is sick or out of town is not fun at all. The phone is always ringing, doorbell always buzzing, it's hard to be productive on days she isn't there. Kind of makes me wonder how she gets all her stuff done.
3. To top it all off, my secretary's husband is my auto-mechanic. He fixes my 12 year old, falling apart car (yet another reason why it is a bad idea to prank her). So not only is she the most powerful person in my church, but among the most powerful in my garage (and wallet).
And I hear her leg sweep is pretty brutal...
#4 has been known to happen simply because of fractured English. A now-retired secretary at our church once put this announcement in the bulletin: "Anyone who left dishes at the last supper can pick them up after church."...The place roared when pastor read it. Thirty seconds of silence later, the secretary's wee voice was heard from the back: "Ohhhhhh, I get it." (Which was even funnier.)
ReplyDeleteI would add a question 13: "Is the rumor true that you run this place?" Definitely.
Everyone keeps saying "she." Has anyone ever met a man who was a church secretary?
ReplyDeleteOr this all-powerful, at times omniscent-esque, job only suitable for the amazing multi-tasking abilities of a woman? *grin*
Just saying.
(I'm a woman, so I might be slightly biased to mock the "in the zone" tendencies of men in the workplace...sorry.)
I am a church secretary.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if I'm the most powerful person - Lord knows I don't think anyone around here would agree with that. Unless, of course, I disappeared.
As for shot blocking volunteers - if I didn't, I'd now have an entire crocheted wardrobe and I'd eat au gratin potatoes for every meal. Not to mention I'd have no moments of actual peace.
Oh, and the youth minister is my husband. He knows better. My leg sweep is, in fact, quite brutal.
I am an assistant to 3 pastors, and right now one of them is trying to figure out where to put the mannequin head.
ReplyDeleteI can say that we are powerful, our main church secretary is about to retire (she has been here longer than the pastor) and we're not sure how we're going to keep the boat afloat without her here.
It is true that you have to get through us to get to the pastors, and I have the authority to deny your request for an audience with any of my bosses. If you have something to say and cannot tell me, it probably isn't going to be more than a waste of time for them to hear it.
I know it's shocking when you call the Pastor's personal extension and I answer, but there are good reasons.
As far as the crazy button... I wish I had one of those, but it would probably just buzz me.
Take it straight from a church secretary (or Office Administrator as I like to call myself), this list is right on. I have had to deal with my share of crazies, including being physically threatened, being asked to counsel someone I've never met when the pastor was busy, and even babysitting random kids I've never met while they are meeting with a pastor. People seem to think the secretary has no limits - I've also played wedding planner, shower coordinator and finder of a new home to the random stuff people don't want anymore. Even with all that, I LOVE my job and ministry and couldn't imagine being anywhere else. I work with a great staff and I have them and my husband on speed dial when a crazy person comes in. I have also been known to just lock crazy people out and get the maintenance man to answer the door. That usually works well!
ReplyDelete@ Caroline
ReplyDeleteYes, infact we have one...he's amazing...fixer of all problems. he hasn't tried to leg sweep me yet...but i haven't tried any pranks either. knowing the sheer breadth of his job requirements and the number of influencial people he knows in the community...i think if i want to continue to live in this town, it wouldn't be wise for me to prank him.
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haha - this was great! I am one of 2 church secretaries for our church that runs 1,000 each week. It definitely is an experience every day! You never know what you are walking into. :-)
ReplyDeleteFastest way to aggravate a church secretary:
Church members who search the secretaries out on a Sunday morning during worship to ask them to do something for them that could have been done during the week or even during the next week. But hey. We love nothing more than to work on our day off. Especially when we are trying to worship. So even though I am smiling while I do it, I really am wanting to leg sweep you. Just an FYI. :-)
so much so that I had to send her this post so she could approve my reading list...
ReplyDeleteI was a church secretary for a few years and this gave me a good laugh :) It was nice to come back from vacation and see the sigh of relief from the staff :)
ReplyDeleteAs the youth leader, I come from a long line of guys who have seriously p/o'd the wonderful church secretary. I am proud to say that after a whole year, I don't *think* that I've done anything to upset her. For this reason, it's entirely possible that we will have female youth leaders forever more.
ReplyDeleteHilarious! I am an "Executive Assistant" working for 2 pastors and managing 7 support staff and several volunteers. We do dislike being referred to as "secretary" because we do so much more than typing, filing and answering the phone.
ReplyDelete#2 and #3 We do! It sounds an alarm in the hallway to notify church staff and calls the police. Our old janitor was a converted drug addict who weighed about 300 was 6'4 and bald. I watched him put his arm around a guy acting up in church one Sunday - "walked" him out to the prayer room and took him down. No joke!
#5 Never. I will say that when he is on vacation, I finally get somewhat caught up : )
#6 Not currently but there have been other support staff in the past that wore me out. Some women can be very emotional and always feel left out.
#7 The church members who approach me during Sunday morning worship to "let me know" that they emailed me or left a voicemail message and to "make sure I get it". Don't appreciate that at all folks - LET ME WORSHIP!
#8 Unfortunately no - but I do have one outside of my office that not many people use we keep special air fresheners and stuff in there.
#9 No but I do see all of his email - for accountability purposes and to help him manage the hundreds of emails he gets everyday. FYI - don't send cute little "love" forwards with puppies and kittens to the pastor -your grandma would appreciate them more : )
#10 Unfortunatly we have to : (
#11 Maybe the special white van which I hold the keys to.
#12 No ours - his wife cuts his hair. She does a great job. He's just not a hair product kind of guy.
Love your post!
Probably the funniest thing I've seen in a while!! I was a the secretary of a "megachurch" for 2 years. I knew where the secret bathroom was, had the keys to EVERYTHING, and I didn't have an "emergency button" but I did have the janitor on speed-dial who doubled as Security!! And backstage the band and worship leaders had a mess of hair products they would use before worship time.
ReplyDeleteI would post my two cents but fear she would see it with her computer spying abilities and withhold future aid, (i am an associate youth minister and she is the most powerful person in the church and does an incredible job with it so much so that she should have assistants who have assistants.)
ReplyDeleteSent this to my church secretary this morning and this was the reply I got back:
ReplyDelete"By the way, the “cuckoo emergency button under the desk” is actually a Smith & Wesson in WV. :)"
Reason #635 why I love living in West Virginia.
@ Rachel:
ReplyDeleteI totally agree! That is the one thing that bothers me the most. Oh, you need a copy of the sermon from January 11th? I'll go make one right now! I wasn't here to worship or anything. No worries!
Ugh. It drives me nuts sometimes!
In the two years that I've worked as a ministry assistant though, I have seen God do some AMAZING things! We went from having five pastors on staff with four assistants to one pastor with four assistants in less than nine months. It was stressful, but has been such an amazing testimony of God's grace and provision!
#1 -- church administrative assistant :-)
ReplyDelete#2 -- you forget we control the doors!
#6 or #7 -- ya know those old ladies groups....
#10 -- who hasn't? hehe
@ Rachel - hahaha...yes, that has never happened to me on Sunday.
ReplyDeleteI would leg sweep Nick the Geek! ;)
Interesting perceptions...I am an executive assistant on a church staff of about 85 in Dallas. Since we have a larger staff (15 of the 85 are also in administrative roles managing their individual ministries and volunteers), most of the functions in this post fall to others. I do feel that I can speak for most of the other girls on our staff with admin jobs and say that pretty much all of the assumptions made here are false. Hopefully we are thought of as warmer individuals than what you all may think!
ReplyDeleteThere are many, many pranks pulled on our staff though (by the youth/students ministry, of course)...and I enjoy both pulling them on others and being the subject of a joke myself!
And please, please try to refrain from the word "secretary"!!
I am a secretary...
ReplyDelete1. Doesn’t matter. We are called many things and sometimes it is not very nice.
2. Yes. It looks like a garage door opener, but when pushed the police come running.
3. We do call our maintenance guy before the police.
4. I would love to leave funny messages on purpose. Normally, it is just typos.
5. That is a great idea.
6. Sometimes other secretaries...it is hard to share power.
7. People that point out typos with the attitude that I did it on purpose.
8. Other secretaries have a secret bathroom!!!
9. Another good idea.
10. Usually good for any help I can get; however, there are times that it is necessary.
11. funny.
12. No.
We always appreciate your kind words and help.
My title is "ministry assistant". I attend, and work for, a small but growing church that currently meets at our local movie theater on Sunday mornings. We also have an evening service, which is how we started out - to reach college students who didn't want to get up early - in a local church. So we have our office elsewhere and I work there 14 hours a week, or so.
ReplyDeleteYes to #10. I try to be really nice about it.
In my case, I'd say I don't have ultimate power. I might have to hand that title over to the financial guy, who can decide if our budget can afford new computer programs for me or a new storage unit for holding church band equipment. He still hasn't decided; there's a budget team that has to decide though mostly it's on him, but I'm thinking it's a good thing he's my friend ...
But I know that I'm appreciated, especially after coming back from a mission trip or something. The post made me laugh, as usual.
Actually, the preacher's wife is the most powerful person in the church.
ReplyDeleteIf the preacher's wife is also the church secretary, you can just forget about it. She rules the place.
#4 - I've been known to hide a message or two in the worship bulletin at the church where I work. (Not the same church I attend.) :)
ReplyDeleteI'd leg sweep the person who thinks it's ok to butcher the newsletter with their red pen and leave in anonymously in the pastor's in-box. And it's certainly not nice that most of the "corrections" were font style/color and content "suggestions" and not grammatical errors! Yeah, I'd like to leg sweep them--along with the people who think I work 24/7--don't send me an email at 8pm on a Friday, asking for something on Sunday morning, and think that it's going to happen. Ever.
ReplyDelete@Andrea
ReplyDelete"Good job on programming the sign, but the background that moves? It's a little distracting."
I LOVE OUR MINISTRY ASSISTANTS!
I was a church secretary and we did have a "cuckoo person code." If I ever felt threatened or creeped out by someone who walked in, I could hit the button on the phone that buzzed into all the offices and say "Aunt Susie's on line 4." There was no Aunt Susie, so everyone would know I had a situation up front. Worked pretty well without the cuckoo person knowing I thought he was... well, cuckoo.
ReplyDeleteI am a church secretary (and yes, that is what I go by---if our church were bigger, I might feel "qualified" to embrace the title of "Church Administrative Assitant")
ReplyDeletePeople I'd like to leg sweep include, but are not limited to:
1) people who use the church service to request or ask something of me. "Folks, I'm trying to worship here, I am NOT on the clock and I have three children to contend with. Call me on Tuesday!!!" (I have Mondays off) I have considered putting in a request to "clock in" for Sunday morning worship, but am pretty sure I'd be denied such a request.
2) People who call me at home at 9 pm asking ME where the Pastor is. "Like I know where he is." I have begun to screen my calls at home.
3) People who give me corrections/additions to the directory AFTER it is already printed. I gave them 4 months warning to get me that information before the directory went to print. (this is especially annoying is this person hasn't even stepped foot in church in 3 yrs)
4) People to come back to me with an issue even after I have given them the person's name to contact with said issue.
I loved your post and have enjoyed reading other church secretaries' commments. I can relate to many of them.
I once had a phone stalker--it was creepy. He went around calling all the church secretaries in town. I wish I had a "panic button"!!!
Thanks for the post!!
Ok, I'm in. (But only because I loved the heading to your blog!) As the person type you want to answer these questions, I'm more than happy too -- where I can. We powerful folks need to keep our secrets, you know. ;)
ReplyDelete1. Say "Administrative Assistant". I correct people *often* and they still don't get it.
2. No, emergency button but there are code words and gestures.
4. It is absolutely true that I sometimes write funny messages in the bulletin just to see who notices.
5. No but this is a brilliant idea on the offchance that he does tick me off. Hasn't really happened yet.
6. Um, no comment.
7. Still not commenting.
8. Our church is too small for a secret bathroom. We have two secret couches for secret naps though.
9. I offered to create a "special" folder. We would never direct something directly into the spam folder. That would be very wrong.
10. Yep.
11. We don't have req forms. *is sad*
12. No!
I am the "Office Manager" of a church that runs about 130 on Sunday Morning, though I am not quite sure what I am supposed to manage? I am sure whatever it is, it is at the bottom of my to-do list!
ReplyDeleteI do not think that I am the most powerful around here... just all-knowing. When anyone wants to know something, they come to me first.
I do not have a buzzer... that would be grand! I do have box cutters, letter openers and heavy duty staplers in case of emergencies! So, crazy people beware! To get the janitor, I would have to call out to the county prison... hey - he works there.
Gotta love those people with last minute requests (Nick the Geek!) and the ones who hit you up at worship services... What are these people thinking? I already put in many hours more than I should... in fact, I should have gone home over two hours ago! I think it is in my SAKV nature. Though I tough it out, I am not here to work on Sunday Morning! If I could leg sweep them and get away with it, I would!
As far as secret messages hidden in things... I have done it in the newsletter once. It was funny. But, it is usually just typos... which I put there one purpose to keep everyone on their toes. After all, they need something to complain about. Keep this in mind if you find any typos in this post. Remember there has been only one truly perfect person to walk the earth... and it's not me!
As with any office (I have been in secretary-type jobs for more than 20 years)... if you want to get to someone you think is more important ... you have to get through me first. That goes for just about everyone from salesmen to church members. If you can't tell me what you want... you won't get any further up the food chain.
I would never leg sweep our Youth Director... he is my IT guy too. He is also the first one to come to my defense or go to bat for me when I need new equipment/ software, etc. Gotta love that guy!
But, for all the hassels and troubles, I love my ministry and wouldn't want to leave it anytime soon, though it will happen since I have gone back to school to be a teacher.
"Whatever you do, do it enthusiastically, as something done for the Lord and not for men!" Colossians 3:23 HCSB
LOL This is great I printed it out and gave it to our secretary.
ReplyDeleteFormer church secretary here!
ReplyDelete1. Secretary is fine with me.
2. I wish! Although at one point, I did make a secret intercom call to a minister in the next room when one of the other secretaries had flipped out and was sitting at her desk weeping.
3. n/a
4. Sadly all of my funny messages were accidental. We did have a member who would write on surveys "If anyone actual reads this I'll buy them a hamburger".
5. I should have thought of that. Our minister seemed to spend a lot of lunches alone in his office sucking on SlimFast.
6. It was definitely the youth minister. We had a few battles but I won the war.
7. The elders. Most of 'em, anyway.
8. I didn't tell anyone about it. But I never used the secret bathroom. My hubby (who also worked for the church) used it for his "pooping bathroom" so it held no charm for me.
9. Our minister wasn't afraid to just outright delete certain people's email...or ignore their messages...or say he was unavailable to answer their calls...
10. I happily accepted the three people who ever volunteered to help.
11. No, but I used by powers to buy all sorts of nifty office gadgets for myself!
12. Our worship leader had a buzz cut.
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Un BEEE levable how you nailed this. I've been a pastor for 18 years, worked with 7 different church secretaries at three different churches, and they own the joint. Period. Not always the easiest individuals to please.
ReplyDeleteThe worst combination is the church secretary/pharisee, the one who knows the Bible better and 'deeper' than the pastor (who's obviously not as 'deep' and 'committed' as she), and those can actually hurt you. If you ever are going to take sides in a fight between the church secretary and the custodian, I would side with the secretary. Yes, the custodian can cut you, but the secretary has access to everything - EVERYTHING - and that has more dangerous potential at every turn.
Sharspin - what you have to do with the spinny toy in the nursery if there's more than one kid that Sunday.
I once attended a church where both the youth and children's ministry pastors treated the secretary with disdain and disrespect.
ReplyDeleteTheir bodies were never found.
As the Operations and Finance Ministry Assistant, all I have to say to our staff is, "If you mess with me, be prepared. Remember your check is worthless without my signature." I choose to hit where it hurts! :-) But I love them all, even the Student Minister (he does try my patience, though)!
ReplyDeleteI'd add another question about whether or not the church secretary attends the church she works at. I've met many who don't, and I always thought that weird. Then again, they may not want to be around when their secret bulletin messages are discovered.
ReplyDeleteVerification word: thypeptr. THY? Are we going all KJV here? if it were The Message would it be youguyspeptr?
Yes, so true! Even if they aren't necessarily the most powerful, they know everything, which is basically the same. We have a saying around our church, "if (secretary) doesn't know, then nobody knows." :-)
ReplyDeletei also was a "admin assistant" for a number of years. yes, there was power, but basically i was a slave to the church, 7 days a week. i worked during each of the multiple weekend worship services - baptisms, baby dedications, among other things. and we had to maintain the pretense that since we were church staff, we had NO ministry needs of our own. we were only to BE ministers. i was amazed by how poorly i was treated. but i stayed, i was instructed that only God could "release" me from my position. i made approximately $25K and thought i was the richest person in the world, except when it was time to ask for a raise after a few years - the pastor in charge of finances pretended not to hear me when i asked for a performance review. i learned so much from my time as a church secretary (don't really care what you call it). i got married, moved away, and was "released" (haha) - more like "set free". And AMEN to the posters who mentioned their disdain for church members approaching you during the service or during worship with business that soooo could have waited until the next day (Monday). We were definitely not a church that took off Mondays. After several years as a secretary, I too was "burnt out". I needed a break. So I went to med school and I will graduate in 2 more years. Hallelujah!
ReplyDeleteI think the financial administrator is the most powerful, with secretary in a close second. The FA has control of the budget, and you know that EVERYTHING (right or wrong) hinges on the budget.
ReplyDeletepersonally i think the pastor's wife holds the most power...
ReplyDeletebut close second is the secretary...
Ours holds the key to the stationary cupboard... on her person... NO ONE has ever held the key but her.. when someone needs a new pen or a paperclip (yes a single paperclip) a form has to be filled out and she escorts you to the cupboard and supervises the gaining of said paperclip...
power... too much power :P
1. Should I say "Church Administrative Assistant" instead of "Church Secretary?"
ReplyDeleteMinistry Assistant is what they call me. I wouldn't like secretary much, but to each her own2. Do you have a "cuckoo person in the lobby" emergency button under your desk?
For the most part. I can stealthly push the intercom button and help is on the way...3. If so, can you please tell me who it notifies? (I bet it’s the janitor. Every church janitor I have ever known looks like they could cut you. Not would, but could. And not deep, just enough to let you know trash cans on wheels are not designed for races.)
Any available male staff member ;-)4. Is it true that sometimes you write funny messages in the bulletin just to see who notices?
Oh but yes. If being passive agressive is wrong, I don't wanna be right5. When you're mad at the pastor do you ever send him off to fake lunch appointments just so he’ll sit in some restaurant and stare at his watch for 30 minutes and be out of your hair? I probably would.
see above answer6. Do you have an arch nemesis that works at the church? It's gotta be the youth minister. They make the biggest messes, use the most liability waiver forms and probably occasionally do pranks that involve you needing to call animal rescue services to remove a small woodland creature from the sanctuary.
Youth pastors, fo sho'. Don't you guys own watches?7. If you don’t have an arch nemesis, who would you leg sweep? I'm talking members, staff, volunteers. Who is getting the leg sweep?
probably the head of the old ladies ministry. Man. Talk about high-maintence and persnickity8. How long did you keep the secret bathroom all to yourself without telling anyone else it existed?
I still haven't. I was sworn to secrecy by the last assistant!9. Does the pastor ever tell you to create a rule so that certain people's emails go right to the spam folder instead of his inbox? Am I on the list? Shoot me straight.
Yes and no10. Do you ever shot block volunteers out of love? Someone tells you "My kid is great at that Wii thing. I think he'd be good at designing your church website" and you reply, "Nah, we're good. Thanks though."
That was one of the main job requirements in being hired ;-) I'm kind about it. It's my gift11. Are you ever tempted to wield the office supply requisition form like a powerful weapon? "Oh hey, you didn't remember professional admin day this year. Hope you enjoy the cheap bic pens that come in a 400 pack." That kind of thing. Ever do that?
Ummm....next question....12. Has a worship leader ever tried to write off hair product as a work expense?
One of our counselors has tried to write off Starbucks as a "work-realted purchase" so he could stay awake during sessions. I thought that was so funny, I totally allowed it ;-)
As a church secretary, I have to say this is so funny because it's so close to the truth!
ReplyDeleteOne thing you left out, though - we also get to decide what happens to the things that end up in the lost & found box! If it's been there for more than a few weeks, it's free game. I've got my eye on something right now...
Allie
ReplyDeleteSame (25,000! Did I read that right?).
As an "administrative assistant" of a fairly large church, I would LOVE to put a secret message in the bulletin, but haven't gotten up the nerve yet--maybe this is the weekend...
ReplyDeleteI've defintely "shot blocked" some overly helpful volunteers.
Something that maybe unique for me: the copier only seems to work right when I'm nearby...it's weird!
I know it's the pastor's wife that holds the most power. We are a small church and everything is done by or approved by her. It is scary because one day, like Moses, she may need someone to help hold her arms up. Since she has never even allowed anyone to touch, or even come near her arms... her arms may just fall off. It is not easy to help someone who continually rejects any offer of help... even worse when they make it clear that they are looking for someone who is more 'spiritual'. I believe it is one of the big reasons that we are still a small church.
ReplyDeleteI just read some really funny answers and some really accurate answers !! However, I am naive about the power and admiration directed to the “Church Lady.” I work for pastor of a church where about 4000 people regularly attend every Sunday. That number doesn’t include “enrolled” – just “regularly attend.” I don’t mind being called the Pastor’s Secretary. I have many secretarial responsibilities but that’s not all I do. My duties also include administrative responsibilities. And, I am definitely the Pastor’s assistant. I do not know of an accurate job title for my position. I just know that this position is truly representative of assisting Pastor in his ministry and that’s all I care about because that’s what God has called me to do for now – assist Pastor in his ministry doing whatever needs to be done to accomplish that. All I know is I show up around 7:30am and stay until the appointments are over between 5:30-6:30pm, eat lunch at my desk, and rarely leave my office. I do have unlimited abilities to multi-task, make things happen, interpret, protect and defend! I know a lot but must maintain confidentiality. I attend weekly staff meetings and keep up with Pastor’s voluminous emails. I don’t have a panic button – panic is not allowed because it’s disruptive. I have a good relationship with our youth minister who likes to hang out in my office occasionally probably because he’s hiding out and needs a secret spot. Our worship leader doesn’t use hair spray – he has a current model hair do that requires gel. Also our worship leader only wears socks with his shoes on Sundays! Sometimes I get to pray with people, offer counsel, give direction. Dealing with people takes discreetness and tact. I always keep a pen and pad of paper with me on Sundays so when members tell me something I make a note of it and take care of it on Monday. My day off is Saturday. I don’t have a private bathroom. I do deal with unusual people. I’ve never sent Pastor on a faux lunch appointment – or for that matter pulled any kind of prank on him except to plan numerous surprise birthday parties. I have never hidden secret messages in the newsletter or bulletin. I know I am appreciated and valued and feel I make a contribution.
ReplyDeleteI am the Church Secretary for a very small church and I do agree that I am probably the most powerful person around this place. I do put funny things in the Bulletin and always announce my best friends birthdays. I am engaged to the Youth Pastor so I pretty much keep him in line.
ReplyDeleteIt is completely crazy and some Sunday mornings I really have to remind self that I am going to church not work as they have a way of merging almost seamlessly. However, I love my job. No matter what you do your boss is nice and I never experience monotony.
P.S. I love those cheap bic pens!
hear, hear,
ReplyDeleteand im fwding a link to the church secretary. she pretty much rocks the house.
I turned the job down! I didn't want to KNOW that much about all members!
ReplyDeleteYou are right! I'm a church secretary and althought I don't have a crazy person button (that would be awesome) we do have code words used over instant messages :). Although every member in the entire church thinks you work for them directly it is still the best job in the world!
ReplyDeleteI was a Church Secretary for many years before I had to make the choice between quitting my job or taking up residence in the loony bin.
ReplyDelete1) I don't care, just bring me cookies.
2) No but I had an air horn. That was great fun.
3) Never had to summon anyone after a few good blasts.
4) Yes. Oh, yes. Copying the same thing on both sides of the paper and watching everyone flip it back and forth the whole service is fun too.
5) yes, and I send him the crazy people that I didn't get with the air horn.
6)Yes. Head of the Vestry. Functionally illiterate but screamed bloody murder if you edited her announcements.
7) the above mentioned, plus everyone who phones to tell you why they don't like the pastor, followed by the people who come into the office to tell you why they don't like the people who just phoned.
8) We only had one bathroom. Woe.
9) If that man learns to operate a computer before he retires, I will fall down from shock.
10) No, but I have assigned them to the pastor when he was on my bad side.
11) Of course.
12)No, but beer and a dartboard made the list once.
Oh, this is too wonderful.
ReplyDelete1. My title was switched to administrative assistant after too many members seemed to think that church secretary meant person available to be the personal secretary to everyone in the church. No I cannot help you file your taxes.
2.I page the youth pastor over the phone, who is also my husband. We also have hand gestures when he comes to investigate the beep so as to let him know if I suspect cuckoo has a gun or if they are trying to tell me Jesus is coming soon.
4. This is an idea that I will now be trying...
5. My pastor is so busy running around during the week that I never get the chance.
6. The youth pastor is my husband, so I am quite spoiled by him. It would have to be the members who corner me on Sunday morning to speak with me about things that should have been addressed during the work week or the following Monday. These people are why I hide on Sunday mornings.
9.No, but there are 3 separate people in the community who refuse to come to our church but really feel the need for some of the Pastor's time to share with him what they feel God wants our church to be doing. I know who you are. You shall not pass.
10. I like to think I am gently redirecting them to volunteer positions that would be more fulfilling in their personal walks than those they wish to pursue...
11. No, but I have converted all post-its, highlighters, and legal pads to excellent shades of girly-ness. If I'm going to be the only female in staff meeting then they can sport pink and lavender.
12. No, but the youth and children's directors did join forces and now for some reason the church owns a Wii...
I'm sad that some people see the admin position as one of coldness. I really love my job and I feel it is an amazing opportunity for ministry using a specific skill set I have been given, whether it be babysitting/ puppysitting while someone is meeting with the pastor or training to retired senior citizens ministry leader how to maintain the web content on the seniors page. It's never a dull job.
But yes, please leave your admin alone on Sunday mornings. If it's so important then you WILL remember to call it in on Monday or you should have thought about it last week. Let me be at worship.
When you're mad at the pastor do you ever send him off to fake lunch appointments just so he’ll sit in some restaurant and stare at his watch for 30 minutes and be out of your hair? I probably would....
ReplyDeleteHow tempting this is.
I view our current "office Assistant" as the bouncer to the rest of the staff. And we are all so greatful for her. She is also the pastors daughter so can get away with alot more than some others. Who are people going to complain about her to? the pastor? no way.
ReplyDeleteI DO agree that church secretaries are very powerful. I am an office assistant (I help out the 2 secretaries and the office administrator) at my church, and have spent quite a bit of time filling in for the secretaries, and I gotta tell you, they work HARD. Everyone pretty much assumes that the secretary has all the time in the world on her hands, and that all she does is answer the phone and visit with people who come into the office. So they give her EVERY task that they decide they just don't have time for.
ReplyDeleteThere really needs to be a "cuckoo person in the lobby" emergency button. As the fill-in, I never knew what to do with those people. And we have a walkie-talkie that calls our janitor directly - if there's an issue, he gets paged.
my mother is the church secretary.
ReplyDeleteand you nailed it like no ones ever nailed it before.that woman could teach seminars on the profession.
oh and the janitor? his name is john. and he definitely could cut you.
They think they rule the roost, but gees how hard can it be to sit there and answer the phones and file? I applied for the position at my church and thought I had a pretty good shot compared to the old bags that are sitting in there now. I guess you have to be old and frumpy to occupy the chair! Plus the pay is pretty pathetic!
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