(Once a week, I try to remix an old post that I feel was just average)
A few months ago, a friend that works at a big church told me about a new service they were starting. The conversation went like this:
Friend:
"We're about to start a new service called 'the Zone.'"
Me:
"The Zone? Is that just the new name for your contemporary service?"
Friend:
"No, we're still going to have a traditional service and a contemporary service, this is a brand new format. This is the Zone."
Me:
"What does that mean?"
Friend:
"It's kind of like the contemporary service, but it has more electric guitar. It rocks a little harder than the contemporary service."
Me:
(At this point, if I had been more honest I would have said) "Then why don't you just name it 'the more electric guitar' service." (Or I could have said) "That's it, I'm officially starting my own church." (Instead, I said) "Oh. I see." (And then proceeded to throw an imaginary smoke bomb and roll out of the room unseen.)
We like creating new services. We like putting our hymnals in the closet and getting a graphic designer with a nose ring to create a new logo for the "iXtreamtastical Zone" service. And we do it because we think you want it that way.
You don't like hymns. We know this. When you come to church for the first time and you see a musty off red hymnal, you're a little disappointed. We understand. You want something more upbeat. More "today" if you will. More "phat" as the kids are saying. You want us to "put on for our city" as Young Jeezy would say. So we created "contemporary" services for you. And by that, I mean we added a drummer to the stage. His name is Darren and he used to be in Journey. OK, it was a Journey cover band called "Oh Sherry" which doesn't even make sense because that was when Steve Perry was solo but Darren's a good guy. He's in a fishbowl. And for a while everything worked well. We sang a lot of Chris Tomlin. I mean a lot.
But that wasn't enough. You wanted more. (Insert your own cowbell joke here.) So we hired a consultant with frosted tips and a cool business card. He told us that we need to push the envelope and think outside the box. He said we needed more synergy with our community and that we had to shift our paradigm. He said we had to be more "impactful" which is not even a real word. It felt like he was just saying fake sentences and words until he wore us down. It worked, we gave up. We got the lasers. We got the smoke machine that sets off the fire alarm every now and then. We're going to sing Coldplay's new song "Viva la Vida" this Sunday. Maybe we'll do Kanye West's "Jesus Walks" soon too. We even made Bono type sunglasses mandatory for our worship leader. But now he can't see the words of the songs and sometimes sings "How gray is our God" instead of "How great is our God."
We hope you like it because we're at 11 on the scale of 1-10 when it comes to rocking out. We can't rock any harder. This is it.
Funny, but more importantly true.
ReplyDeleteWe Christians like 'creating' things, different types of very similar ministry.
Why? Do we need the illusion of doing something new?
??
Just wondering.
Hey Jon,
ReplyDeleteThanks for taking all our plans and broadcasting them all over teh interweb. Great. How are we going to pull off our massive launch event now? We're going to have to cancel the balloons, the doves and everything.
Oh, and as a throwback to #251, the "everyone is on vacation, anything goes" church service, it's the summer. The senior Pastor is away, and they've left me, the worship guy to preach, and this weekend I am throwing sweets ("candy" for you Americans) into the congregation, just because I can, and because I'm preaching on generosity. It's going to be Awe-Some. And I haven't even written out a sermon transcript, I've mind-mapped it, because I'm a right brained hippy, and it will drive them NUTS.
The first thing I thought of in the first couple of lines is "the nozzle" from The Venture Bros.
ReplyDeleteThis is interesting, because I remember when I discovered Petra Praise (The Rock Cries Out) I was quite vocal in my church about replacing all the hymns with rock'n'roll Praise & Worship (RnRPnW). Nowadays...oh man, I look back on the days of naive youth and sigh patiently. When hymns are sung (with their original melodies), it's a rare treat - no matter which church I'm at - visiting elsewhere at my own sweet home away from home. When *hymnals* are actually used, I know it's something special.
...We even made Bono type sunglasses mandatory for our worship leader. But now he can't see the words of the songs and sometimes sings "How gray is our God" instead of "How great is our God."
ReplyDeleteThat was pretty good. ;)
"How gray is our God".
ReplyDeleteOh dear.
;) Thanks for the awesome posts Jon. You've really inspired me to get going on things I've always wanted to do but put off again and again. Like starting a blog. It's just the beginning, but I'm thinking it'll be just the thing to get me motivated to do all the other things I dream of doing.
Thanks for the great read!
...Ouch, Remix away Bro!
ReplyDelete*Jon, Keep writin' just like He gives 'em to ya*
~You da "Warm Butter Admonisher"!
Jon,
ReplyDeleteI am a campus minister for a college ministry organization in Cleveland, Ohio and I think your posts are so hysterically accurate. You're like a chef - your posts have all the right ingredients. I highly enjoy the pop culture references too. Gasp! Yes, as a Christian you CAN enjoy pop culture. So thanks for writing about what a lot of us are thinking. Hah!
What about us who *like* hymns, and don't want our services to be rock and roll worship? Geez.
ReplyDeleteHow sad that we think we have to cater to the whole world...what about catering to God, instead? What does He think of smoke and lasers and rockin' electric guitars? What does He think about division of church-goers based on "worship" preference? Why does it all have to be a show? Does anyone else think that God is disappointed because we are not asking what He wants, but only what we want or what our visitors want?
ReplyDeleteDo we really believe that we are adding any passion, sincerity, or piety to our worship by adding all this stuff? Do we really believe we are one-upping the first and second century churches who did not have this stuff, who hid out in catacombs, who suffered prison and torture? I think they have us beat.
Thank you for the "How gray is our God" comment, although, I actually think it sounds like he is singing to "Gah". I love Chris' writing... but seriously... :-)
ReplyDeleteMy church makes a point of describing its two Sunday morning worship services as "a _contemporary_ worship environment" and "a _casual_ worship environment," respectively. (Contemporary and Casual are meant to be underlined there, but blogger tells me it doesn't like the u-tag.) And it's always like that, with the underlines, in the bulletin each week and in all the official literature. I've never been able to detect any actual difference between the two services, other than the time on the clock. Which confirms my long-held suspicion that sometimes we make a new service/ministry just so we can use new language to describe them, not to do anything different.
ReplyDeletenice post and true!
ReplyDeleteI'm a pastor and we are trying to do the "blended" worship mostly because we don't have enough people to split it up. But what this post points out nicely and kind of drives me crazy is how us church people think that the only important part of the week is the sunday service, and if we do that well then all those people will come flocking in.
Brilliant! As a worship pastor who sometimes feels behind the worship "curve", but at the same time scratches his head at all the "production" that is going in to some church services, I thank you.
ReplyDeletecthoward - are those actual questions, or just opinions that end in question marks?
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure creative teams don't sit around thinking, 'gee we need to get a laser, cause I really want to one-up the first and second century churches!' i don't think that's what any church thinks they are doing at all.
Seriously though - it feels like you're making a whole lot of assumptions about the motivations of people who are for the most part trying to serve and honour and celebrate God in a way that conveys their excitement about him to the world.
But maybe I'm just misunderstanding and making an assumption about your motivation in writing the post, it's totally possible, so take this as you want.
Jon,
ReplyDeleteRemix is old and busted. Redux is the new hotness. (I'm not sure what I just said, but I think that's the cool, relevant way to talk now.)
Clifford,
I'm with you. I was the same way about Petra back in the day. (Although my transformation started with This Means War.) I too have come full circle on hymns. Don't get me wrong, I still love contemporary music, but I now see what treasures the old hymns are.
cthoward,
Great comment. I heard a pastor say once that we shouldn't be asking ourselves on Sunday afternoon, "what did I get out of that service?" but "God were you pleased with our worship?".
"How gray is our God"...
ReplyDeleteIsn't that the lyric? Listen to Chris sing it again (especially at the end of the song) and tell me he's not singing about our gray-colored God.
Let's leave the God is great thing for the dinner table... ;)
Speaking of P&W, WHERE are the posts about Petra & CarmAn?
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ReplyDeleteI really don't have anything smart to say about new types of services. I just wanted to tell you, Jon, that the idea of being able to "throw an imaginary smoke bomb and roll out of the room unseen" cracks me up. I totally want to try that.
ReplyDeleteOh, and I loved the Super Hero post.
OK I got to say it. I really can't stand Hymns. I'm a Worship Pastor at a church with many seniors and so I do them for the benefit of those I have been called to serve right now but sometimes it drives me crazy. Have you ever read a hymn for the first time? I feel like I need a flashlight and Little-Orphan-Annie decoder ring just to figure out what the song is about. No one talks like that and they NEVER did. I feel like they arranged the words so that the song would rhyme as if that was more important than it actually making sense. Sure there are some good hymn but as a generality...what the heck, man? But that's not the real reason I don't like them. My main source of annimosity towward hymns comes from some people insisting that we should only be singing hymns. I actually had someone tell me "If it's not a hymn, it's not to Him." I don't even know how to respond to that. Thanks for the therapy.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Anonymus. I do like hymns. Admittedly, I don't enjoy them all, but to throw the baby out with the bath water? Nahhh. I'll definitely keep singing "Come Thou Fount" and "Be Thou My Vision."
ReplyDeleteOur worship team actually DID perform that exact coldplay song a couple of weeks ago. Too funny.
ReplyDeleteReminds me of Jim Henderson and Matt Casper's book: Jim and Casper Go To Church. Casper (the Atheist) kept asking Jim in most all of the churches they visited: "Jim, is this what Jesus really asked you guys to do?" Often, I wonder, too!
ReplyDeleteAaah! Too critical! Do Christian bloggers have nothing better to do than to lob snarky remarks about people's hair color? How many times have we heard this type of thing? From every generation!
ReplyDeleteCriticism has its place, for sure. (I agree -- leave Colyplay songs to Colyplay. Please.) But if you're not saying one positive thing, there's a problem. It's easy to sit back and pick things apart. Try building something. Compromise and putting up with other lame humans is the nature of unity.
Totally off-topic, but I had to pounce on the Journey reference...did you ever realize that if their love really did go on, her name would be Sherry Perry?
ReplyDeleteokay, so i don't know if i actually believe what i'm about to say, but it's a new thought (for me) inspired by your post, which i read earlier today and then took with me to chew on as i went about my business and finally got a chance to come back and see what kind of conversation had gotten started . . .
ReplyDeletei'm thinking maybe instead of every church feeling the need to have a traditional and contemporary style service (and the many other variations thereof), churches should just focus on what they specifically feel they are called by God to be. like, maybe they are a traditional-style church and aren't meant to reach all the new-school contemporaries. maybe the church down the street is called to those folks. it's a fact of life that different people respond to different approaches to worship, teaching, and community . . . can one church actually be all things to all people and really be any of those things well? i think people would be able to tell that the newer, hipper stuff is just "put on," like a jacket instead of actual skin they live in, by those who are doing it because they feel they need to be more relevant. maybe churches should just be what they already are and trust God to bring those who need to reach him that way.
I think we need to do metalcore covers of old hymns. It would be awesome. No, wait. Relevant. Everyone loves that word now.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, there is a Christian Metalcore band called "Haste the Day", whose name is taken from the hymn "It is Well With My Soul"
I say mix it up. Go from one extreme to the other. I love it all. I would like to get my As the Deer Panteth on in the same service as I hear a Chris Tomlin/Hillsong medley. Throw in an electric guitar, a cowbell, handbells, two puppets and a drummer who used to play for Cannibal Corpse before he came to Jesus and I will be ecstatic.
(Sorry, no spell check on this thing.)
Jon, I'm thinking about taking it back and creating a new type of service based on old-school worship. It's kind of like when designers bring back something we wore 20 years ago.
ReplyDeleteMy service will feature hymns, suits and ties and organs. It will be called Throwback (and we ain't talkin' jerseys).
Hey I'm new to your site. I came across it through a friend and I think it is very creative. I will defiantly add it to my blogroll on my site!
ReplyDeleteThanks for the great (and very funny) thoughts!
Rick
Hey I'm new to your site. I came across it through a friend and I think it is very creative. I will defiantly add it to my blogroll on my site!
ReplyDeleteThanks for the great (and very funny) thoughts!
Rick
Just so I get it right, to deploy the imaginary smoke bomb properly do I:
ReplyDeletea.) pull the imaginary pin with my teeth and roll the bomb into the middle of the room like a grenade? or
b.) pull two imaginary smoke bomb pellets from my imaginary utility belt and throw them down straight in front of me like Batman or a ninja?
I don't want to mess this up.
I thought I was going to be all original and thank you profusely for pointing out the "grey" God thing, and say it sounds like "Gah," but then Sara did it. So I would just like to second her affirmation of your insightful description. I actually can't stand listening to that song on our local Christian radio station because, in spite of the more important fact that our God is great, I can't get passed the missed final consonants.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I would like to applaud the "fake words and sentences" line. Bravo.
Haha, "How Grey is Our God".. Too funny.
ReplyDeleteActually really the only reason I decided to comment is the fact that I was listening to Viva la Vida right when i read that line, and it made me laugh.. heh.
Other than that, I have to say, it's a very "relevant" post.
Multiple services divide the congregation. I can relate to much of what you said though, I remember the struggle between "old" hymns and contemporary praise songs. "old" hymn is a relative term though, the hymn "O, Gladsome Light" has survived since the late 3rd or early 4th century. Trying to stay "relevant" is a dangerous game to play. The more you focus on one group, like the 20s-30s you ignore the other groups. If you do that then you are only ministering to one small segment of the population. I have been reading your site for a while, and even though I no longer identify myself as an Evangelical I find it very funny. It brings back some good memories of growing up down south in the Bible Belt.
ReplyDeleteChristianne,
ReplyDeleteI understand your thought process here and at first glance it makes sense. The problem with that is that we live and serve multi-generational communities. If we focused on a "Traditional" style of service our church would die out within the next 20 or so years because no one is coming to it. I think the church needs to be on the forefront of recognizing the needs of it's constituency and responding accordingly. In that case, I offer a "Traditional" service for my ages(approximately) 50+ and maybe something "contemporary" for my 30+ people. Then maybe I need to get a "young adult" type servcie for the 18+. Most churches have childrens and youth ministries that are totally different than "Big Church" and for reason. The different style services for adults is just an exapnsion of that concept. I think the LEADER should do what you have suggested and just focus on being what God has called him or her to be. So for one "style" you may have one leader and another for a different "style" of service. Am I makin any sense here?
-John Hall
Fresno, CA
Dude that was greatness! I used to play cowbell at a church (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKMpLoTXfo8)that seems now to be going "retro" in worship. The Senior "Pastor" was a frustrated worship leader and boy did he sound frustrated when he tried to "lead." The real worship leader was awesome.
ReplyDeleteLook, if you ever heard this pastor sing "Glorious" it takes the term "contemporary" back to the dark ages. I ran kicking and screaming like the place wasn't going up in glorious holy smoke.
Speaking of smoke - do you know where we can get one of those machines? I'd like to start my own church and call it "Holy Smoke!" If we can't find one of those machines, I know a group of guys that just hangs out and smokes cigars that play in a worship band so I guess we could use them instead.
If you love hymns (done right) then let me suggest Matt Boswell's "Vintage" - a great CD! I still say box up the hard bounds and breathe some new life in them.
Great post Jon.
Answer for Anonymous...
ReplyDeleteHere's my point in asking questions that give my opinions:
Adding services and lasers and other elements is always done in the name of "improving worship." I know this is usually done in all sincerity...but the question is: is it necessary? Is it really improving our worship? And if we answer, "Yes," then does that mean we have better worship than the first century church? We may not be trying to one-up our early brethren, but that's basically what we are saying when we try to "improve" worship with stuff and styles.
We have begun to think that our quality of worship is determined by the feelings we come away with rather than by the sincerity and devotion to God we bring into it. We can only truly improve worship by improving our relationship with God. Stronger faith, deeper devotion, and greater knowledge of our Creator and His Will are better improvements than the stuff we dream up. "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you." [James 4:8]
I really liked this post, because I think it has a lot of relevance. (It was also very funny, they always are!)However, on the other side of things, contemporary is a good thing. My church is very contemporary, and we really reach people that way. We have a "rockin" band and play vidoes and talk about relevant issues. I know you don't have anything against contemporary church's, and just making a point about church's going over the top. I think that in our world today, it is important to be able to connect with people, especially in the younger generation. Keep posting, I love the stuff!
ReplyDelete"Multiple services divide the congregation"....oh, I SO disagree on this one. Let me preface my reasoning by saying I am a classical-musician-turned-contemporary-worship-leader. So, I can appreciate the pipe organ, hymns with the original harmonies, full orchestra, and all. But just as much, I LOVE rocking out with the 15-year old drummers and electric guitarists in our praise band. Our church has 2 distinct services, and the argument that it is "divisive" is so well-used it's got holes in it. People have their preferences, and nobody can change that. By providing 2 services, each group can enjoy corporate worship on Sunday mornings in the same church while they enjoy small groups, missions, fellowship events, Sunday school, etc etc etc TOGETHER. Without the 2 services, there is NO WAY we'd be able to meet everyone's needs as effectively.
ReplyDeleteI know that's not an option for a lot of churches, but it beats some situations in which "blended" worship tries to please everyone and ends up pleasing no one.
God created all music, didn't he? We might not like it all, but as long as one's heart is directed towards God and the lyrics are in line with Scripture, I believe it is ALL pleasing to Him.
Different worship services are only as divisive as we let them be.
...you like chocolate, I like strawberry...
ReplyDelete...Big Mac or Whopper ?
...Traditional or Contemporary...?
*Are our church services all about pleasing "us" and catering to "our" desires...???
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