Sometimes, we use our faith as money that allows us get more stuff from God. Lots of faith? Expect lots of stuff. Little faith? Expect little stuff. I was reminded of this yesterday in a comment someone posted on this site.
I wrote a brief update on a faith healer and included a link to a seminary professor's story about his autistic son not getting healed at one of the services. I don't have an autistic child and cannot imagine the difficult blend of hope and frustration and anger and a thousand other emotions in experience like that. So when someone responded to that story with the following comment, I was a little surprised:
To all those people mentioning the ones who DIDN’T get healed from Bentley:
God answers prayers of faith. And faith works by love. If you are not in your love walk with your neighbors, then I don't believe God will answer your prayer. See Mt 5:23,24. Faith mixed with love, my friend is how you will receive your healing. Not by attending a service "hoping" you will be healed by a man. It's times like these that many people glorify the man being used for the healing, even though he specifically states it is God working through him. Just wanted to clarify that.
I don't think the guy that wrote that comment meant it the way it sounded. I think he's a good guy. It just came out the wrong way, something I am often guilty of too. I don't think he intended to call out or address specifically a dad whose son was not healed of autism. I don't think a mom who was not healed of cancer or a little girl with a brain tumor was his intended audience despite addressing the comment to people that DIDN'T get healed. I refuse to believe that someone would leave an unloving comment about how you need to love your neighbors. That makes no sense to me.
His comment is true in the sense that we should not glorify man and to tell you the truth, I was glad he wrote it, because it convicted me. I might not write those same words, but sometimes I live my life that way.
How? Well, sometimes in the week before a speaking engagement, I try to live "extra holy." I feel this internal pressure to be super good all week so that God will reward me when I speak at a church. I agree it is important to have a clean heart and head, but this is not about me eliminating distractions and sin. This is about me trying to have more or better faith in order to earn something from God.
Knowing that about myself, I wanted take that logic a little further. If we believe that more faith equals more stuff, whether that stuff is a healing or a Hummer, shouldn't we come up with some sort of standard conversion rate? Shouldn't we, as Christians have a universal system that tells us how much we're going to get when we take our faith to the God ATM and trade it in for goods?
So that's what I did.
The Stuff Christians Like Faith/Stuff Conversion Guide
1. A new car
OK, what are we talking about here? Domestic? Foreign? Luxury sedan? Sleek sports car? There are a lot of options. Talk to me. You want a BMW 3 Series? That's an easy one. See, when it comes to cars, God bases the amount of faith you need to get a new one on the level of vehicle it is. A BMW 7 series takes more faith than a 5 series, an Audi A6 takes more holiness than a A4. You want navigation too? OK, that's going to require 14% more prayer. Overall, I suggest you volunteer at a soup kitchen three times and get some new road trip music, because like Oprah said, "You're getting a car! You're getting a car!"
2. A new house
There's an amazing planned neighborhood called "Vickery" near my house. It's one of those communities with a cute little downtown area and a YMCA and everyone walks everywhere and waves at you while eating fruits of the forrest gelato. My wife and I went on a walk there the other night and decided we wanted to live there. Only we're roughly $700,000 short. So when we got in the car and started listening to the song "Viva la Vida" by Coldplay I told her we need to just pray the house into our lives. I started singing along to the song, which kind of goes da da da da dada da da, and changed the lyrics to "Vickery Victory." The whole ride home I just sang, "Vic-ker-y Vic-tor-y." It was pretty spectacular. The lesson is that if you really want a new house, you have to have enough faith to make up silly songs and sing them to God. He loves them.
3. A new job
I agree, that boss is a jerk. It's time to get a job where they appreciate you and give you the freedom to live up to your full potential. No more TPS reports for you. Let's see, new job, new job, oh yes, here it is. If you want a new job you're going to need to fast. But when you do it, make sure you tell lots of people about it. Make it a very dramatic, public fast to make sure you get credit for it. It's like when George on Seinfeld kept tipping the calzone guy when he wasn't looking. A tip that is not seen is a tip that never happened. Same with a fast. If you want a new job, go big, go loud, go proud.
4. A new boyfriend/girlfriend
Ohhh, now we're cooking with gas, yes indeed, now we're cooking with gas. Here's what to do if you're a guy that wants to date that girl at church. Start underlining more in your Bible. Get a fanny back like carrier for your Bible with pens and zippers and Velcro. Write little poems to God and then accidentally drop them at church and pretend you didn't know they were there by saying things like, "Oh that, just another Jesus poem I wrote for my main man." Ladies if you want a Christian guy, one word, "tankini." On the next labor day retreat, you North Point ladies hear me talking to you, rock the tankini. Heck, put 14 "WWJD" bracelets on each arm so that you look like a holy Wonder Woman. Not only will all these things earn you faith points, but they will make you look very spiritual.
5. A Jetski or Wave runner
Daniel Tosh said it best, "They say money can't buy happiness. That phrase should end with 'just kidding.' Because it buys a wave runner and it's impossible to frown on a wave runner." So true Daniel, my fellow PK, so true. Let's figure out how to get you a really cool wave runner or boat. I'm thinking you may need to throw out all your secular music, movies and video games. Again, don't do it secretly. I'm talking on your front lawn, with a small fire and a lot of friends invited over to support your decision. And if you have any Radiohead, you should probably just give it to me.
6. Reveal the meaning of my life
Most people know that the only way to "find yourself" is to backpack across Europe. Hopefully you won't get your walkman stolen while you're sleeping in the Peace & Love hostel in Paris. Hypothetically speaking. You might actually need to quit your job, sell everything you own and do la year long mission trip to earn this one. This is a big one, we're not talking about a wave runner or a date with a cute boy. This is the question. So expect to jump through lots of faith hoops to get this one.
That list is silly but there are definitely some situations in the Bible that might give cause to this way of thinking. Because we want to control our lives or manage our relationship with God, I think it's possible to read verses and interpret them the way we want. To take James 2:24 as a call to earn more with our faith. To ignore Ephesians 2:8 and start to believe what we are doing on this planet is about works. That the cross started the conversation but now it's up to us to get more and do more and earn more in God's name.
Will God give you a new car because you love your neighbor better? Doubtful. Will God give you a new car because He likes giving us stuff? Maybe. But can we manipulate God into giving us more stuff by living a certain way, whether you call that living with more faith or name it and claim it or praying the blessing into your life? Never. Or at least that's what I think.
p.s. I didn't include healing in the list of items because I felt like that would be really insensitive and that God would probably leg drop me if I did.
How much faith would it take to get a "walkman", so I could have it stolen at the Peace and Love Hostel... Man oh man... the walkman takes me way back to the paperboy days...
ReplyDeleteGreat Post as usual
"...and if you have any Radiohead you should probably just give it to me."
ReplyDeleteMade me laugh out loud.
Please, can you re-explain what a leg drop is or at least show those of us who still can't figure it out which post might help clarify?
I'm interested in an "Ask Mrs. SCL" post or two. Does she think you're as funny as you think you are?
Carole -
ReplyDeleteThat's an interesting idea. So do you think I should have a post where people can ask her questions and she answers them?
And no, she does not think I am that funny. She keeps me humble
Jon
*Faith ~ is not "getting more"...it is "becoming more" like Him.
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"...if u do not see what u want, RUB 4 IT..."
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Fasting for a new job...what a great idea! That way, when I get that new job (making more money, of course)...I can buy an entire new wardrobe (since I have probably lost some weight while spiritually fasting for this new job). Right? :)
ReplyDeleteyou're a good man Jon.
ReplyDeleteMaybe open it up to some question ideas and she gets to pick ten of them to answer.
ReplyDeleteOFFICE SPACE!!!! Thank you!
ReplyDeleteAnyways, I'm praying to grow a fu manchu. Looks like I'll be fasting from work and seriousness until God smiles upon me.
If your faith is not in man but in God then does it not also follow that it's not in yourself? Not in your own faith (or your own love)?
ReplyDeleteWow, you're a much nicer person than I am. I read that comment and thought, what a self-righteous jerk. Actually, I thought something a little different, but not anything I could type here!
ReplyDeleteSo, if I fasted in a tankini while working in a soup kitchen for a year or so, do you think I could achieve world domination?
So what do you have to do to be attractive? Surely there is a God formula. I'm just saying there are some real Monets out there.(Monet as in the painter. Get some culture dude.) What's a Monet, you ask? It's someone who looks great from a considerable distance but up close, it's just a mess.
ReplyDeleteWhen your mom told you it's what's on the inside that counts she was lying through her teeth. Some people really got their Monet on.
Maybe it's a Kentucky thing.
And oh yes. We need to hear from Mrs. SCL, who is surely not a Monet in any way, shape, or form.
I actually have fasted for a new job although I didn't want anyone to know--I guess I've messed up now by telling you all, huh?
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I found this funny because I just bought "Viva la Vida" last night and listened to it on the way to work this morning. :)
P.S. I love the waverunner quote.
To the dude that wrote that comment... oh crap. That's me. I did sound like an insensitive jerk. My bad.
ReplyDeleteI wrote it from a position of being T.O.'ed about peeps seeking men for healing instead of God. Hate when that happens.
Thanks for clarifying my comment for me. Please don't tell the father of that autistic boy...
Since the comments on this post are both funny and serious I think it interesting that no one has mentioned the fact that although we can find many examples, Biblically and personally, where God seems to answer prayers based on actions and faith, there are many examples when He doesn't. I think He wants us to never forget that He is God and can and will do what most pleases Him.
ReplyDeleteIf you want a house, you'r e going to need to start listening to holier music than Coldplay. Switch it up with some "Awesome God" or something by Carman.
ReplyDeleteI have a sense that the majority of any insensitivity/etc is just from misunderstanding/miscommunication. =) Especially in a comment block, its hard to get out all the right words...for correctors and correctees. For lack of a right word.
ReplyDeleteThis was pretty hilarious and made my morning. "Talk to me." Hahaha. Creepy coincidence, just read this morning about an unanswered prayer -- Saul asks God if he should go fight the Philistines and God totally remains silent (1 Sam 14:37).
I'm on my way out to sell all my comic books and my laptop and my CDs...do you think a vacation across California is worth that much?
I once had a lady tell me that she prayed for God to give her a new Toyota Camry and she got one. Now, I would like one too (my car is a piece of crap), but it's not like God just GAVE her one, she has a huge car payment. I know God does care about giving us the things we want sometimes, but she made it sound like, if I prayed hard enough, I could get anything car I wanted. I don't want the payment...
ReplyDeleteYou should definately bring your wife on as a guest. That would be cool.
When praying and asking God for something, whether is be healing, a job, etc... I think many forget that God works on His own timetable. It might take a week or a year for that new job opportunity to arise. Don't stop praying because you think it's taking too long for the prayer to be answered!! Hang in there!
ReplyDeletewell played, jon. but be real to us, man . . . you didn't just get a degree in sarcasmology . . . you invented the degree in sarcasmology.
ReplyDeleteTPS reports....what a great way to sneak that in there! You know I read each of your posts looking for those hidden gems. Keep 'em coming!
ReplyDeleteHave you read Discipline of Grace? Your blog is right in line with that excellent book by Jerry Bridges.
ReplyDeleteI knew someone who got a new home 2 years ago...huge & over the top. They were given Godly counsel (Crown Ministry) against buying the house. They said that they had the "gift of hospitality" and the house was sent to them from God. Its now in foreclosure. I don't believe you can lose your salvation, but there's proof you can lose your spiritual gift.
ReplyDeleteGood post. Whenever I see a guy with a really full "stache" I say "You can tell he's a tither." I'm pretty sure tithing has something to do with thick lush facial hair.
ReplyDeleteyes, invite Mrs. SCL!
ReplyDeleteThis is all well & good, but I think we're all forgetting the most important question we should be asking: Does God do rollover points? If I go over the top, I'd really like it to count for something.
ReplyDeletecarole: the original post about leg-dropping for the Lord is the original post about todd bentley kicking old ladies in the face. what, you say? you think that's outrageous? well, check it out.
ReplyDeleteleg-dropping it for the Lord has become vernacular here around SCL primarily because one commenter in particular (cough *stacy from louisville* cough) began working a leg-drop for the Lord reference regularly into her comments for a while after jon posted that post. it was hilarious watching her do it. you can read some of the subsequent posts after this original todd bentley one to see what i mean.
Jake - thanks for having guts enough to apologize for your comment. It takes a real man or a real woman to do that.
ReplyDeleteJon - definitely invite the Mrs. to a little Q&A - thanks for doing this post
Stacy from Loisville - it may not be a calling from the Lord, but you have definitely been called out - blog it - and if memory serves me correctly - Monet was considered a master artist - don't be hard on yourself - "you preach like a Mormon" absolutely brilliant!
The fact that our faiths have gotten to a point where we can joke about this brings joy into my life.
ReplyDeleteGod be the glory in all things.
That really needed said Jon. I'll leave it at that...
ReplyDeleteThat sounded an awful lot like my billboard comment remixed into a lovely post. Anyway as far as prosperity gospel stuff check out pipers youtube video on it. its pretty super...
ReplyDeleteSo I think you just described Joel Osteen's entire theology in this post.
ReplyDeleteSorry if you're a big fan...I however could live without him.
Do you need to know if you have enough faith? Buy the Faith-O-Meter 9000!
ReplyDeletehttp://allthingscon.blogspot.com/2006/07/faith-o-meter-9000.html
I'm glad someone picked up on Office Space. Apparently, "more cowbell" went completely unnoticed a while back. Surely cultural awareness has some sort of God currency value.
ReplyDeleteJon- I agree with the idea here, that you cannot manipulate God into giving you 'stuff'. Just as a parent should not give their child everything they want.
ReplyDeleteHowever, the word is very clear about healing, and that it is God's desire that all sick be healed. Throughout the Word, people are healed because of faith (Lk 17:19, Mt 9:22), and that faith works by love (Gal 5:6).
I'd be interested to hear your interpretation of these two specifis when the Lord told them their faith made them whole.
I think the person who made the comment about praying with faith made a valid point. I don't think he was including the jetski/new house/job, etc. He was referring to healing.
Love the post. I think what made me laugh the most is that I actually have backpacked across Spain, and God really did do amazing things in my life and my parents'. Check out our blog for proof: http://cdsveedubs.blogspot.com
ReplyDeleteEeeeexcellent post.
ReplyDeleteBut what the hay is forrest gelato?
I stumbled across this blog by doing a Google search for Testamints. Since you mention WWJD bracelets, do you know what the most frequently shoplifted item from Christian bookstores is? Yes, that's right.
ReplyDeleteAfter my wife's mom died of an unexpected drug interaction, and then my dad died this past december of a rare blood disorder, and then our son died just a few weeks ago of a rare genetic disorder, my wife and I are particularly sensitive to people who grandstand about the relationship between faith and answered prayers.
ReplyDeleteMy wife and I have been Christians for several decades, and I flat-out reject the idea that our ongoing family massacre is because we and our family and our friends and pastors and churches have been simply unable to muster up the requisite faith. I won't even try to describe the vast number, faith, and sincerity of the people who have prayed with us for healing, because it doesn't really matter. I believe the idea that 'God would have acted if we only had more faith' is a lie from the devil.
It's true that New Testament healings were often tied to faith, but not exclusively. Remember how a couple disciples are asked for money by the lame beggar, and they go, "we have no silver and gold, but we'll give you what we do have. In the name of Jesus, rise and walk." They didn't ask him if he had faith, or even wanted to be healed. They just did it.
In fact, Jesus goes out of his way to tell us that if we have faith the size of a grain of mustard seed, we can move mountains. In other words, if we can somehow, against all our instincts, muster up the slightest bit of faith in His power and goodness, He can work amazing things. He never says that He will only work when we have "enough" faith.
So why doesn't God always answer prayers? Why did He allow a God-fearing man like my dad to shrivel up and die at 57, at the peak of physical health? Why did He allow my mother-in-law to spend days in a brain-dead coma and then die? Why did He allow our three-week-old son to die of an inborn genetic condition that was "incompatible with life"?
I think the answer is simpler, and more complicated in some ways, than "enough-faithers" make it out to be. I think it's because we simply live in a fallen, sinful, broken world, and we will all die a pysical death - it's just a question of when.
I just don't think God's biggest concern is keeping us all alive indefinitely, or until some old age that we find acceptable. Believe me, this is a hard position to hold onto when it involves your 3-week-old son. But I believe it.
I believe God's main concern is loving us, being loved by us, and bringing glory to His name. Sometimes that happens by healing, I'm sure, but I have to believe that sometimes this happens by Him NOT healing.
I don't know why the Bible is full of promises that God will heal and do miraculous things without mentioning that, oh yeah, by the way, He only meant sometimes. Maybe something was lost in translation,.
But I do know two things: God is Good, and He doesn't work for us. It would be ludicrous to demand an explanation from God, though that is tempting at times.
All this to say, I don't know why God sometimes answers prayers and sometimes doesn't. But I'm pretty dang sure it has very little to do with how much emotion/faith we can work up in ourselves. God is not limited by our limitations.