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Saturday, July 12, 2008

#341. Being Switzerland (Or me and the "Family Guy")

I saw an interesting bumper sticker on a car at the library today. Here's what it said:

"All praise & glory to Satan, my Lord & Savior."

If you're wondering if I tried to guess whose car that was when I was in the library, the answer is "yes." I thought maybe they would have a pitchfork or a black cat at their feet or a big snake around their shoulders. Unfortunately, none of that happened and the would be fan of satan, please note the lowercase which is the middle finger of grammar, was not properly identified.

I will say though that I appreciated this person's directness. It's not that I liked the bumper sticker but I appreciate the understanding this person showed in putting that on their car. They clearly knew there was not some sort of weird grey area in life. They knew that neutral is not possible. They knew there were two sides and were not at all confused about which one they were on. I can't say I do as good a job most days.

You see, sometimes I live my life as if it's possible to be Switzerland. I pretend in my head that there are three paths to choose in this world. There is God's way, satan's way and neutral. But there's not, over and over again that is established in the Bible. Jesus even says in Mark 9, "for whoever is not against us is for us."

But I don't live that way. I have rewritten that verse to read, "Anything that is not inherently evil or illegal is OK." That takes God out of the picture. That takes the holy and the pure out of the picture. And it leaves me watching the show, "Family Guy."

That show is horrible. I agree. That show is foul and filthy and not redeeming to my heart and not uplifting and not something I need in my head or my soul. Chances are, I will agree with everything you say that is negative about that program. That I watch it sometimes is not a good witness, not very mature of me and not something I should ever be proud of.

Here's the thing though, I trick myself into thinking it's OK because it's not technically evil. I mean porn, witchcraft, the occult, those things are clearly not healthy. Family Guy is just a crass cartoon. Drugs, stealing, lying, those are clearly sins. Family Guy is just a 30 minute television show. I could do this all day.

And maybe I need to. I love in Hebrews 5 when Paul says, "solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil."

I love that the one example he gives of someone mature is that they can distinguish good from evil. He sets up the idea that it's not easy. And that in order to be able to do it, you have to train yourself through constant use.

The tricky thing about this whole idea is that it's so easy to corrupt into being judgmental. For me to say, "my definition of faith is the only right one and if you don't like it you are siding with the devil. You're such a pagan."

I don't have a clear answer for that, but I do have a thought. Maybe it's not about getting one answer and then moving on with your entire life as if you've been given the formula or secret code to God. Maybe it's about doing what Paul said, putting the question of good or evil to everything we face? Maybe it's about constant use.

I will probably make 100 decisions this weekend. Instead of jumping in as fast as I can, I hope I ask myself which side am I choosing. Is this good or evil? Wrong or right? Bumper sticker for the devil or for God?

Update:
Decisions are not always easy, lines and boundaries get blurred, disagreements arise. Life is messy and so is Stuff Christians Like now and I think that is a good thing. I have really enjoyed reading the comments on this post. Not only that, I have enjoyed learning from them. I do not have the answers and feel blessed when other people share their hearts.

So the basic counter argument to this post is well summarized in two excerpts from great comments:

Overall, my response to the content in my own heart is more important than the actual activity of seeing cartoon characters and hearing dialogue.

I don't think watching something profane is morally wrong. It is what we do, not what we see that make us pure or impure.


I thought it might be good to address those or at least continue the conversation. First of all, I agree with the statements above to an extent. I think that there are lots of things in this world that are not immoral by nature. Money for instance is a great example. How I respond to it does shape how it influences my life. Whether I use it to feed the homeless or feed my ego does change the argument. Money, by itself, is not evil. Our response to it can be though.

And I know that in 1 Corinthians 6:12 Paul says, "Everything is permissible for me - but not everything is beneficial." I know you could use that verse to argue about watching shows like Family Guy. (Although the "everything is permissible for me" is actually what a Corinthian church said, Paul was simply counteracted it.)

Where I disagree however is the idea that everything is morally neutral and it is always our response that makes it pure or impure. I think there are tons of examples where the nature of something is decided long before we respond to it. Porn, by nature is impure. Crack cocaine by nature is impure. Lying by nature is impure. We don't need to react to these things or activities to make them impure, that is part of their very existence. That is woven into the fabric of what they are.

I admit, this idea of pure and impure is new to me because I've only been pursuing God for a few years. But the verse I always come back to is Philippians 4:8:

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

I like this verse because Paul seems to say that a thing can be true and pure. He does not say, "think pure thoughts on neutral things thus making them pure." Nor does he say, "think about such things to determine what they will be." Not at all, instead he says there are things that are noble, right, pure, lovely etc. They do not require our interpretation or use to make them one way or another. They simply are that way regardless of how we react to them.

So then the question becomes, is something like Family Guy pure? I honestly believe you can easily argue that the show is well done, well written and perhaps one of the best produced programs on television. (The scene where Stewie teases Brian about the book he is writing will forever make me laugh.) But is it pure? Can you argue that a show that features a character drugging a girl because he wants to rape her reflects an act of purity? Or a father attempting incest, or a character whose sole role is to be the neighborhood pedophile? Is that noble? Is that lovely?

I know those examples feel extreme, but they're not. They're part of the normal routines on Family Guy. I didn't pick the worst, just the ones that came to mind the fastest. Nor am I saying anyone that disagreed with me is saying those things are noble. Not at all.

It's a weird debate, I admit. You could argue that there is redeeming value to the show. I mean, how can I watch and claim to see Jesus in the ultra violent movie, Man on Fire, and then criticize Family Guy, a cartoon? I can't and hopefully this did not come off as judgmental.

I am in no position to judge anyone and am not telling you how to make your decisions. The only one I can really choose for is me. And I confess I fail at it a lot. And, I thank you for walking into this messy life with me. I think it's going to be a lot of fun.

46 comments:

  1. love it, love it, love it. Super duper post, mr. pj.
    I am SO Switzerland and find myself the most comfortable and the most lonely there. Quite a dichotomy.
    Thank you for saying things I needed to hear.

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  2. Evil, illegal, holy, pure? You might enjoy this recent riff on moral psychology: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010317.html#010317

    Note I don't say "agree with 100%". ;)

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  3. So really what all we Family Guy watchers need is a Christian cartoon where a young baby fruit or vegetable with a British accent bent on world domination is foiled by some wholesome, bumbling characters who do not try to kill their parents, but honor them (with american accents) and lead the aforementioned character in the Sinner's Prayer at the end of each show.

    What we really need is a "Christian" Mel Brooks.

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  4. Somewhere there are the words; "because you are neither hot or cold, I'm about to spew you out of my mouth." Is this the equivalent of Jesus saying; "your unwillingness to choose right or wrong makes me wnat to puke."?

    Thanks for the thoughtful post.

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  5. wow bro. Been reading your blog a while and I have to say that this post is off the normal path. Don't get me wrong, I am down with it 100% as I have been tempted on many occasions to become a citizen of Switzerland. Just know, you are taking on some heavy stuff that, I believe, this culture despises being confronted with. Hats off to you and I really pray this causes all of us to examine the decisions we make on a daily basis. Sheesh that's deep. I'm going to have t hedge on a little futurama. Wait! Maybe I'll just hit some Cosby show. Can't believe I just wrote that.

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  6. The only thing I find edifying about Family Guy is that I act nothing like them. The problem comes when people start to act like they see on TV thinking it is okay. Its not okay. But dogs really don't talk.
    People are stupid. Pray for them.

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  7. This brings to mind a favorite CS Lewis quote (Mere Christianity):

    "People often think of Christian morality as a kind of bargain in which God says, 'If you keep a lot of rules I'll reward you, and if you don't I'll do the other thing.' I do not think that is the best way of looking at it. I would much rather say that every time you make a choice you are turning the central part of you, the part of you that chooses, into something a little different from what it was before. And taking your life as a whole, with all your innumerable choices, all your life long you are slowly turning this central thing either into a creature that is in harmony with God, and with other creatures, and with itself, or else into one that is in a state of war and hatred with God, and with its fellow creatures, and with itself. To be the one kind of creature is heaven: that is, it is joy and peace and knowledge and power. To be the other means madness, horror, idiocy, rage, impotence, and eternal loneliness. Each of us at each moment is progressing to the one state or the other."

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  8. You should have referred to it as family guy.

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  9. I don't mean to digress but, does that mean that guy gets to drive any way he wants - cut people off, throw the bird, whatever?

    If he did cut you off, you'd just say, "Oh well, that guy's evil" and just shrug it off.

    By the way, I did get the post. Good job.

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  10. I really appreciate this post, your honesty is refreshing. Our freedom to choose and discern brings a heavy responsibility. You made a great point about the mature being able to discern between good and evil and make the best decisions based on that discernment. Entertainment choice is a sore topic, thanks for bringing it up.

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  11. it's also along the lines of "working out your salvation with fear and trembling", as Paul writes in Philippians. There should definitely be deliberation in our decision making. It matters more than we all probably wish it did.

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  12. Great Post. Great Great Post man. I don't know what else to say.

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  13. Great Post. Great Great Post man. I don't know what else to say.

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  14. I just recently stopped watching Family Guy. It always made me uneasy watching it, especially when they made a joke about God or Jesus. I would never stop watching, just flip the channel until the bad part was over. Then I saw an episode that mocked the church. I don't mean a quick cutaway, as there are tons of those. I mean the entire episode was devoted to mocking church. I finally realized how blasphemous that show is and stopped watching it. I've stopped watching South Park and Robot Chicken for the same reason.

    As for the decisions about good and evil thing, when I first became a Christian, I did that all the time. I was so careful with my faith that I wouldn't even look out the window without first askign myself if what I was doing was something God wanted me to do. Over time I became careless, and that's when I slip up.

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  15. You made a good point about the importance of rest the other day. Why couldn't watching the Family Guy fall under R&R? Of course, there are still other good reasons not to watch the Family Guy, like how so much of it is just a cheap knockoff of the Simpsons.

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  16. Love the post, and I do get it. I have to say, though-on a less important detail-that Family Guyis a good unifying tool in a college town. Like that previous comment, though, one does have to be careful with how such a show affects one's attitudes and actions.

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  17. As we constantly miss the mark, may we fall into the wonderful grace of God, and at the very same time, determine to strive towards God's perfection by our holy living.
    Thanks Jon.

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  18. This is extremely rare, but I think I disagree with Jonathan on this post.

    In terms of whether some things are morally neutral, I think some are.

    I'll stick my hand up and say that I am a Family Guy, American Dad and South Park viewer. Lots of stuff on these show is blasphemous, offensive and crude. Do I like that about them? No. What I do like about all three of these shows however is that they wear their opinions and views on their sleeves and actively commentate on American and Western (I'm in Ireland) culture. I like them for the same reason that Jon like the bumper sticker.

    I don't think watching something profane is morally wrong. It is what we do, not what we see that make us pure or impure.(Well, Jesus purifies us, really.)

    For every Family Guy, which holds its views in the open, there's a Scrubs, Friends or The Office which sutlely hides its views under the cover. (I wrote an essay on the ideologies of sitcoms in college.)

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  19. Stan -
    Thanks for the feedback, not just on this post but on all the other posts you've commented on. Reader comments are my favorite part of the site. And I really want to come visit Ireland someday, so well done on being there.

    I guess that I just can't call to mind a bible verse where something is called morally nuetral. I mean there's the whole spit out the lukewarm thing, but more than that, is there ever a time when we are told there are good, bad and neither as options?

    I'm not saying I am right or wrong. I am so green at most of this stuff and I love the writing on family guy and south park, but I don't think morally neutral is an option. Again, I could be very wrong
    Jon

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  20. I've been reading for awhile and LOVE the humor...I can always relate. But I have to say it's really awesome when you get serious too.
    This post just really put into words what I've been dealing with a lot lately. The line between personal convictions and judgement is so tricky.
    But I really think you've got it right. As humans I think we just want to make everything a rule...it's easier that way...and makes us feel a little more righteous. But maybe it's a lot bigger than that...more about following Jesus and less about following the rules.
    Also, Stan's thoughts brought to mind Philippians 4:8...
    God bless.

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  21. i was raised in a very strict environment. the kind where i wasn't allowed to watch the lion king. or the smurfs.

    so now whenever topics like "don't watch that" come up, i feel...tense. because i don't like being told that i'm doing something sinful when i'm not.

    i think that when you enjoy good art, you are glorifying God. He is an artist. good art comes from Him. that includes intelligent comedy.

    i've never seen family guy, so maybe you shouldn't watch it. i don't know.

    i just know that a lot of the things people in the Church condemn as "evil" are actually things that glorify God, because of how well done they are.

    of course this gets tricky, because someone could argue "well this pornographic shot is really well done...", so it really does come down to our ability to make the right decisions, and recognize what is good and what is evil, like you said.

    i'm just saying...it's not quite as black and white as "don't watch the lion king" like my parents think. and a lot of other christians like them. family guy might glorify God more than a cheesy Christian version of the show, because of how well done it is.

    and that goes for music, and all kinds of art.

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  22. well there is that whole "everything is permissible but not beneficial" verse that could be applied.
    I agree with you though Jon. For the most part I think we try to make ourselves feel better by saying things are "neutral," although in many ways these choices are still individual, so once again I am Switzerland. :-)

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  23. Just to note a Bible verse on "things" being morally neutral...

    I know and am convinced of Christ Jesus that nothing is unclean of itself.

    Romans 14:14

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  24. Hi Jon,
    I also disagree with this post. Not because I believe that there are morally neutral decisions, I just think that we as Christians often forget a central theme of the Bible: there are no redeemed and unredeemed actions or objects, there are redeemed and unredeemed people. Examples:

    1. Drinking (drunkness vs. moderation)
    2. Sex (in marriage vs. out)
    3. Killing (war vs. murder)

    The same types of ideas transfer to entertainment.

    Every entertainment choice we make is a series of trade offs. The most harmless of G rated movies will have certain elements that will run contrary to scripture. When we make decisions about whether to watch a show or not, we are answering more about our own tolerance of these contrary themes than about a higher, universal call to all Christians to abstain from certain movies/shows and watch other movies/shows.

    I have always enjoyed Family Guy. I enjoy it because it is clever and absurd. There is a lot of things I have to ignore (and sometimes only notice when other people are watching :-) ). There are some episodes I don't watch because their themes are disrespectful to God.

    Overall, my response to the content in my own heart is more important than the actual activity of seeing cartoon characters and hearing dialogue. I have found it more important in my spiritual walk to moderate how much I watch it than if I watch it.

    Lastly, I don't think the lukewarm verse applies here. Jesus isn't saying that he would rather people choose a side...paganism or God. (that would run contrary to the rest of scripture) He is appealing to the usefulness of our role. Hot and cold drinks are refreshing. Lukewarm drinks are not refreshing. Hot and cold are represented as good...luke warm is bad. Not hot is great (super christian!) cold is bad (satan bumpersticker guy) and lukewarm is worse (deacon who smokes).

    Thanks again for a though provoking post,
    Clifton

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  25. Jon,
    I am addicted to GARBAGE TV. I don't put Family Guy in that category (although I feel the same way about the show that you do), but I can't surf past Rock of Love, Flava of Love, Shot at Love, Real World, and just about every other piece of trash on TV. I don't even watch to "good" reality shows like Survivor or Hell's Kitchen. Please pray for me with a "sweet baby Jesus" reference in the middle to help free me of this addiction!

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  26. I remember when the Simpsons came out many years ago, and it was this evil show because Bart was rebellious, and used terms that were risqué. That show was banned from all the Christian homes in North America based upon the actions of this cartoon. Now the tame Simpsons are a refreshing contrast to Family Guy and American Dad, and other shows like it.

    Now, the Simpsons is the only show on network TV with main characters that are in most of the episodes that are “hardcore Christians” (Flanders), Pray before supper each meal (Simpsons), has a minister, and almost the whole town goes to church each week. It is pretty sad that the Simpsons are the only show that has any Christian themes at all, and that the Simpsons represents the North American Christian on TV.

    Back to the topic at hand, it is interesting to see where the trend is going with “adult” cartoons such as the Simpsons, Family Guy, and American Dad. It seems that standards keep getting lower and lower, and I hope that one day I am not desiring my kids to watch that wholesome Family Guy, as opposed to what is going to be aired in 2015.

    Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12 It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

    I struggle with that passage as, I wonder how pure I am for my great God and Saviour… and how is what I watch influencing that?

    Incidentally one of the funniest things I have ever seen was a Family Guy show right after the Super Bowl a couple years ago where they had Osama Bin Laden doing his “Death to America” videos, and totally mocking him, and making him do them in huge sunglasses, etc. Hilarious… and one of the last time I watched that show…

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  27. I went to a Christian college where the biggest buzzword was "discernment." This seemed to mean that you could watch/listen to/participate in just about anything, as long as you discerned that it was wrong. As if knowing it wasn't good made it a better choice, not a worse one.

    This always nagged at me as somewhat of a cop-out, to say the least, and now that I'm several years out of college I think I know what the problem was: we just didn't know as much as we thought we did. I kind of feel like that will prove true repeatedly throughout the course of my life.

    There are definitely scenes I've watched in movies or read in books that I wish I could get out of my head. It's too bad so many of them have to pile up before most of us realize we've been dumping toxic waste in our brains under the guise of entertainment. Personally, I don't think I realize it nearly enough yet.

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  28. jon, you inspire me. that it, plain and simple. the update that you wrote is brilliant and beautiful. thank you for taking us along on this journey with you, and for wanting to be along our journeys with us, too.

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  29. I agree with your main point (let's not waste our time & energy on crap when there still exists some treasure).
    But I want to at least offer a counter to the way you start out, on the duality idea, good vs evil, no in between, a very simply & appealing way to see things. But neither do I enjoy that triune notion (of good, bad & neutral). I rather prefer we think about a circular spectrum (as in political ideology), literally an infinite amount of possible positions or points on a curved line, overwhelming complicated & debatable & beyond human mastery. The extremes are inherently bad (& really very close to each other) & the ultimate truth lies most often somewhere in the center (inherently, in the way I would define the spectrum). Assuming the evangelical/born-again Christian faith as ultimate goodness/truth, I cannot with clear conscience say that a believing Satan server (one who acknowledges an all-powerful biblical God & actively seeks the opposite) as being AS EVIL as the person that does not believe at all (who thinks that the entire notion of a God whose entire focus is the life of each & every human he has created is completely implausible). Sure, both might be "wrong" to the Christian, but I'm not willing to say it is the Christian's place to hate those positions equally. To me, that's like treating a shoplifter the same as a child rapist/murderer. Like crime, I think that morality/purity/goodness has an overwhelmingly complex spectrum & goes completely against our human desire for utter simplicity. Doesn't the Bible even mention being hot or cold as preferable to lukewarm? Doesn't that put Christian zeal more on par with the temperature range than duality? Now enter my favorite phrase: "The world I see isn't black & white, it's very colorful!" It starts with the primary colors, progresses to the rainbow's ROY G. BIV & the shades keep on going from there. Keep up the excellent thinking & writing, my friend!

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  30. oh, and i want to respond to something iisanidiot said . . . he quoted titus 2 and then said he struggles with that passage because he wonders how pure he really is for God. maybe we can take encouragement from the verse, actually, because it says it is the grace of God that teaches us to say no to ungodliness (vv. 11-12) and that it is Jesus Christ who is the one who purifies us (vv. 13-14). in and of ourselves, we cannot purify ourselves. it is Jesus who does it, and the active working of his grace in our hearts. we are not alone in our growth. our God is an active participant, and he is revealing things to us along the path so that we are continually being conformed to the image of Christ. "for it is God who works in us to will and to do according to his good pleasure" (phil. 2:13)

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  31. I'll be completely truthful here...

    Family guy is my favourite, I have all the DVDs..
    ile
    In saying that, some things do disturb me about it (eg, peadophile old man). But, as much as I like the idea of being holy, and trying to live a holy and wholesome life, I wont stop watching. I often put my desires first, and often I dont want to change that. Do I feel guilty thinking about that? Of course. Does that make me change my mind? Not at all.

    The fact is that although I desire to follow Jesus, I put myself first.

    Thats the truth, and I suspect I'm not the only one.

    In saying that tbough, if I know something is actually affecting my life, I have been known to get rid of it/ cut it down a bit... but then again, if you grow up in a family who doesnt follow God, surely you are less sensitive to "morally wrong" tv shows and music, etc.?

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  32. I'll have to say I am a Switzerland person, too. Not only do I make short visits, I have a very nice vacation house.
    I personally do not like Family Guy because of the jokes made about Jesus on there. I do sometimes laugh at the commercials (as I cringe inside at the though of me laughing) because some of it is funny. I tried watching it with my husband when we first started dating. You know, the whole I want to do what you do. But, almost everytime I sat down and watched it with him, something came on that was making fun of Christianity. I'm sort of alright if you make fun of the idea Christianity has become over the years, but this was not it. They had Jesus drinking some sacrimental wine and getting drunk! That furiated me and was the last time I watched a full episode.
    About me being a vacationer in Switzerland...I love Seinfield, Friends, and a bunch of other shows that really doesn't show "morality" in its purest form. They may not make fun of God, but come on...sex everywhere with anyone, lying, being decietful....
    Anyway, sorry for the long post. It hit a nerve, and a good one. :)Keep up the good work, Jon!

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  33. This is a great post and I have watched more than my share of inappropriate shows but I stopped. Phil. 4:8 says "Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise." That verse blew whatever argument I had that the shows I was watching were OK. Then I felt real convicted because I realized that my stupid desire to watch some show that won't last more than couple of years moved me to water down the word of God so that I could feel OK about watching a show that I knew in my heart didn't glorify God. This is just my experience with this whole thing. Not judging anyone else at all. And on a total random note, this realization did free me up not to be so glued to the TV and go out and live life instead of wasting it on mindless television :)

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  34. Compared to South Park, Family Guy is L-A-M-E. Lame.

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  35. I've been dealing with this issue with some friends of mine for a while. I can't say that I watch Family Guy very often, but I do play video games, such as Halo 3, which contain violence. As a Christian and a pastor, I find that for some people the fact that I play the game opens up conversations that I wouldn't be able to have otherwise. For others, however, it can be a stumbling block, so I usually don't bring it up in passing conversation.

    Would I recommend that all Christians go and pick up a copy of Halo 3? Probably not, but I think that the question, at least as it relates to the game itself, is more about individual maturity than a widely applicable rule.

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  36. have you ever shared your testimony on this site? I'm just curious now that you've said you've only been following God for a few years. I was blown away because you are always so insightful and you make points that I would never even think of. Not saying that you can't be wise and insightful without years of "experience," if you will, but typically that's hard to come by. Anyways, I know I would enjoy hearing/reading your testimony if you're willing to share it, and I'm sure the rest of your readers would enjoy it as well :)

    Thanks for writing this blog. It blesses me in so many ways--from bringing humor into my day to incredible insights. Thanks :)

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  37. Great post. I think this is such an important issue that the church could make some great progress on if we actually, you know, talk about it. I was in a church a few years back where rarely did anyone open themselves up enough to confess to liking something like Family Guy. I suspect 80% of the congregation likely did have something like that in our lives - something we enjoyed but felt uneasy about - but no one would ever dare be honest about it. Yuck. I remember we had a Super Bowl party and when some of the guys laughed out loud at some of the commercials (typical Superbowl beer commercials with outrageous innuendo) - and the world didn't come to an end - I thought my head would explode. It just didn't compute.

    Right now my "Family Guy" struggle is the show Weeds. I could rave for hours about the great writing, casting, acting... but the show has a very thick negative-energy vibe that leaves me feeling grimy, if not guilty. My wife stopped watching it for that reason. I sort of feel like I should too, but I guess I'm not completely ready to leave Switzerland quite yet. Hmmm.

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  38. i will watch any episode of greys anatomy there is or real world or dirty sexy money but yet every time i ever saw my brother watching family guy or anything on adult swim i felt sick with disgust. i dont know how that works but here are a couple things i do know.

    the bible tells me that out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. my youth pastor used to always say garbage in garbage out. what i am watching and listening to is ultimately what i am putting into my heart. and what my life looks like, what i say and do comes from what is in my heart.

    like i said above i too am not good at this but what i do know is that i cant live in the middle thinking that its ok to watch it because i know better than to live like that.

    it is amazing what happens when i start to fill my heart with the things that are pure and just and noble. that is what comes out of my life. the bible says that the scripture does not return void either so if i am filling my mind with the bible it will make a difference in my life. when i fill my heart with those uplifting things its amazing how my desire for the not so uplifting things starts to diappear.

    im not sure the argument should be if it is right or wrong or pure of satanic. if all that i am listening to and putting in my heart are shows that make fun of christianity eventually my life might look like that too.

    i realize its not always that simple but i think that is how it begins. i appreciate being challenged in this in my own life so thanks jon.

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  39. In the past we recognized the source of Truth to be not Christians nor the Church, but of God Himself. That means that He has revealed Himself through nature (general revelation) and through Scripture (special revelation).
    Part of the aspect of all Truth being God's Truth is that the things we see in Art, music, etc. that we love are loved by us because they in some way reflect His Truth. That is why we can worship God through a song, show, or film when we acknowledge and enjoy the fact that those things reflect God's Truth in the world around us. Even through media that the artist may have intended to be entirely offensive we can not only see God glorifying Himself through that media, but also are able to take critisism that the media may afford. South Park, for instance, has a no holds barred approach to everybody, and I hate the way they depict Jesus because it breaks the second commandment and just isn't true, but the vast majority of their jokes about the Church have to do with hypocrisy, bigotry, and the way we cheapen Christ and do things for our own glory rather than His (like bumper stickers, T shirts, and Ichtus'). That is a truth about us, and therefore comes from God and not original to Trey and Matt. Trey and Matt are made in God's image so at some point that spills through their art despite themselves.

    A problem that occurs when you label things of themselves evil is often that we miss the Truth in them and fail to take every thought captive to Christ. Several people mentioned porn as an example. God made sex, and done properly it glorifies Him so much that Puritans considered it an act of worhsip to the Triune God, but porn lies about relationships (and often proportions) and cheapens the image of God in which the subject was made (not to mention supports human trafficking and exploitation) so it is a sin for us to partake of because the sin inside us will use it for evil and against the glory of God.

    It's a huge topic and a big theological can of worms, but then, worms tend to help catch fish.
    (BTW the corollary of all Truth being God's is that those things that are not True are lies and therefore from the father of lies. There are aspects of non truth even in the writings of Christians {gasp!})

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  40. I think there's a lot to be said for individual freedom in Christ on things like this. Some folks really shouldn't watch certain shows, while others can handle them, and even appreciate certain artistic aspects or whatever.

    e.g.--I need to watch myself on chick-flicks because they lead me to places of false expectations in relationships and skew my perspective on life in general (away from God & reality). I have to be careful on any military-related stuff because I'm a military wife and sometimes it's just too sad, or intense...or just too 'close.'

    Crass stuff like Family Guy, South Park, the Simpsons...well, I really love the Simpsons (which I couldn't admit back in Christian school--and I still have the control issues to show for it). The others I can take or leave, but I don't believe they're harmful to me. Not because of some sort of ability on my part, but because of my individual make-up, hangups, and such. Sometimes I think they're funny, other times I don't, and I go do something else. For me (and this is just me) these particular shows are not a big deal.

    So many times in the NT, the things that Paul (or whomever) was railing on were when people used religious-looking behaviors to cover up empty hearts. It's all about the heart...and when we're honest, we know what's in our hearts and whether or not we 'should' be watching/reading/participating in/etc. any particular activity or whatever.

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  41. Piper's message that was shown at the first couple of Passion Regionals speaks right to this issue! I think you can hear it on 268generation.com
    its how the glory of God relates to our minicule lives: the movies we watch, the clothes we wear, the words we speak, etc.
    Piper get fired up as usual, but its really good stuff...gets you thinking about thos "grey" areas and the not-so-grey ones...

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  42. You shouldn't feel ashamed for watching Family Guy because it's "morally wrong" or "foul" or "dirty."

    You should feel ashamed for watching "Family Guy" because, quite frankly, that show sucks. It's random jokes thrown into a blender and spewed out with no purpose, point, or reasoning. It's not art. THAT'S why you should feel wrong for watching Family Guy.

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  43. Anon @ 8:01, you really should be aware that the Family Guy is not made by throwing jokes into a blender. It's made by trained dolphins picking colored balls out of a tank.

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  44. when cut down to it's simplest denominator.... family guy=entertainment
    family guy= blasphemy

    Christians find entertainment in watching blasphemy.

    We are entertained by Christ being mocked. We are entertained when the name of the Lord is thrown in the mud. We are entertained by nasty sexual references. How do we explain that to the Lord? "That was just the relaxing part of my life... not the part of my day allotted to serving you or praising you. So lighten up."

    When I think about the things I watch in that light it helps me turn it off.

    Great post.

    I too find fg.. especially stewie.. hilarious when he brings in some random 80's/90's tidbit that I KNOW most of america doesn't catch. and then they'll say something completely inappropriate and it just makes me sick. so I don't watch it anymore.

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  45. I can relate to James' comment. The show 'Weeds' is well written and acted but Christians are consistently mocked and generally portrayed as revolting lunatics and hypocrites. There is no mistaking the hostility and contempt that the writers express in the way that all Christians are lumped together as unreasonable extremists. It's done with skill and humor, but isn't that the most effective way to undermine someone or something. The attacks have been so flagrant in season three that I've had to stop watching the show. Anyone else have the same experience?

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  46. The reason I don't watch Family Guy is not because it's crass.

    I don't watch Family Guy because it's not great comedy.

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