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Sunday, July 6, 2008

#329. Arguing about the "wives submit to your husbands" idea.

This weekend I went to my cousin's wedding. After the ceremony, the Australian minister that had performed it pulled me aside. I was expecting some deep wisdom about love and life and communication between couples. (I assume anyone with a foreign accent is a lot smarter than me.) Instead he said, "So tell me, is anything I did going to be on your website?" I laughed a little and then looked him in the eyes and said "Actually, I was thinking about doing a special post on ministers that wear bold yellow suits, so yes."

But while at the wedding I was reminded of something, about us Christians. We love arguing about the "wives, submit to your husbands" concept in the Bible. Seriously, next to Frisbee, I think that might be our favorite sport.

I can understand that. I mean, it's a sensitive subject. It's one of those verses people can really twist and tangle. I thought the minister I heard this weekend did a good job of unwrapping it in a fair, interesting way. But instead of trying to recreate what he did, or explain it because 29 million other blogs have already done that, I thought it might be good to give you a quick list of the things that have kept my marriage not insane. ("Not insane" is a technical term really holy people say.)

1. Don't call tasks around the house "chores."
When you are a kid and take out the garbage for your mom, that is what is called a "chore." When you are an adult and take out the garbage for your wife, that is what is called "doing what you are supposed to do, I mean good grief, it's your house too, are you seriously trying to take credit for taking out the garbage?" I admit, it's a bit long, but I think it's a lovely name.

2. Don't piggyback activities.
When my wife says "Can you go downstairs and get my Bible please?" I sometimes interpret this as her saying "Will you get my Bible and check your email as well as ESPN for a few minutes please?" Apparently that is not what she is saying and is not a huge fan of me stealing "me minutes" all the time.

3. All exercise is real.
Once, when my wife was telling me about how far she was walking on some trails near our house outside of Boston I asked her, "Do you think you might do some real exercise soon?" (I know what you are thinking ladies, a unibrow and all this? I am a real catch.) What I meant was "Walking is great and you are very good looking and hot and smart Jenny. By the way, gym memberships are nice too." It came out a little differently when I said it out loud though.

4. Don't say you are "babysitting" your own kids.
When you take care of your own kids while your wife goes out, this activity is not known as "babysitting." This is known as "watching your children" or "being a father." There's a subtle difference, but it's important.

5. Back rubs should not be timed.
The other day during an interview with a ministry called FamilyLife, the host asked me how I am able to balance a full time job and stuff Christians like. The answer is that I am a maniac at time management, which is awesome when applied to my business life but slightly less than awesome at home. If you ever offer your wife a back rub, take off your watch and turn all the clocks around in your room. It should be like Vegas in there, you should not be able to tell what time of day it is. From what I can gather, ladies do not like it when you give them back rubs for 14 minutes on the dot. That's all I am saying.

I am not an expert on marriage. I am a novice, but I have blundered through a few lessons in the last seven years. Hopefully these help. I would write more, but I need to go take out the trash and watch my kids.

34 comments:

  1. As a wife of 9 years I am not an expert, either. But I do have a female perspective to add to the back rub thing. I know when my husband doesn't "time the backrub". I think any wife knows the difference and senses selflessness. And to us, that's romantic. So, when a wife feels that her husband has done something romantic, well, I don't want to get really graphic, but from a female perspective, that's when a backrub turns into more than a back rub, if you know what I mean. So, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Guys, that's the 4-1-1.

    Good post.

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  2. Are you going to be broadcast on Family Life Today? And if so, when?

    Would love to hear it.

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  3. Once, I ignored the subtle difference outlined in #4. Thankfully, I'm still alive to report that it has not happened a second time.

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  4. Stacy's right. Pay attention, boys.

    I once told my husband "you are supposed to love your wife like Christs loves the Church. And Christ likes to spend time with the Church. He likes to rub the Church's feet." I stand by that statement.


    Loved this entry. And you're dead on with all of them.

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  5. Great Post Jon. Good pointers.. I cant stand it when guys I know say they are babysitting their kids.

    Have you ever thought of doing a post on the almighty Felt Boards from Sunday school days.. They were the best EVER. Everytime they whipped that out I knew it was gonna be a good Sunday School lesson.

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  6. The people who like to "beat" their wives with the submission thing rarely like the passage about husbands loving their wives as Christ loved the church. When you are attempting to love your wife as Christ loved the church, and giving himself for it... it makes it easy for the wife to submit because people are happy.

    It is when I, as the husband, screw it up (like us males are prone to do) that the submission is a pain in the...

    And our favorite sport, next to Frisbee isn't arguing about submission, it is pointing out everyone else's flaws but our own, in Christian love of course...

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  7. love your blog. this post was great, although as a single, i can't really vouch for any of these things. just wanted to submit ideas for future posts, though. how about church dinners/potlucks? or maybe that's just a big thing in the baptist world. darn. i had a bunch more ideas, but they all just died. oh, well. i'll think of them again.

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  8. I think it's funny, I still didn't like your reply about the gym. That's just our way, though, as women. Just say, "Way to go, Jen!" and leave it at that. Hee hee!

    Also, and my Chris will tell you the same, after 17 years of marriage, we are all still learning this "how to communicate" thing.

    Blessings,
    holly

    PS My biggest problem is that I tend to piggyback the request--"Will you get my Bible and some coffee for me, please?"

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  9. Backrub? WHAT backrub????

    My husband has a rare disorder that makes him unable to hold my hand. It's called "Idontwantto". He picked it up in college. What can I say?
    We've been married 19 years, and I'm REALLY praying for a cure.

    He's one of those guys who'll do ANYTHING but cook, clean the kitchen or touch the bathrooms. I could ask him to do anything else, but if I mention "cooking"?? Ahahahahahaha.

    But when someone, usually he's wearing polyester and carrying a Greek copy of The Iliad(reading it for fun), asks them who the boss is in our house? He'll tell our kids to remind the ignorant fool that "Mom is". Mom runs the show, Mom knows where everything is, Mom can find the website for "why is my fish shivering", Mom knows where the green soccer socks are from 1998, Mom is fuly aware that the college intern is NO GOOD for your sister, AND Mom can bake the senior pastor's wife under the table. AND bring a good salad to the potluck.

    Men only pretend to submit for fear that they'd get outted for being second in command. So go ahead, wear that Texas belt buckle, WE know who runs things.

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  10. I had to laugh about the "babysitting" comment. I teased a friend of ours lately that said he was babysitting their kids...all in jest...but my husband has learned not to say that!

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  11. FWIW, I decided a while back that James 4:17 would be my life verse for my marriage. That is what gets me to empty the dishwasher, pick up stuff, wash the baby's high chair tray, etc.

    There are no "jobs," though we each do different things. My point is that if something needs to be done and I can do it then I'd better do it or I think I'm sinning according to James 4:17.

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  12. oh how I love this. I just had a conversation today with friends about husbands saying they're "babysitting." Ugh, huge pet peave! Thank you for bringing it up, it's hilarious. And a good point.
    And thank you for your comment about Sonshine in MN on my blog - yes, truly good line-up of artists. I couldn't be more proud of mi madre (that's the extent of my really awesome spanish skills) for having the vision for the festival. She's an amazing, hard-working and totally cool lady. If I do say so myself. I told her about your post and she had a good laugh. If you do another festival post, we have tons of ideas, including but not limited to 'artists body surfing the crowd.'

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  13. I love this post. Why is it we Christians feel that marriage has to be such a chore....or hard thing to do. Loving each other is what we are called to and it can't be that hard if you just follow Christ example and think of the other first. It all boils down to that!

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  14. This has absolutely nothing to do with today's post. I was at a funeral today and at the end of the message, the preacher did one of those extra sermons while we were asked to bow our heads and close our eyes. You know the kind of sermon where he's talking to just "you" and asking if you know the Lord personally? Anyway, I realized that I had zoned out. When I came back to reality, I got kinda panicky cuz I didn't know if this was one of those raise your hands if you ARE saved, or raise your hands if you're NOT saved questions! Has that ever happened to you? I hate it when that happens. I remember being in chapel during high school and doing the zone out thing. I failed to raise my hand, and afterwards I had three friends ask me if I was saved because I didn't raise my hand and they were worried about me. Well, that's nice and all, but we were supposed to have our eyes closed, so how did they know I didn't raise my hand, huh? Sorry to comment about a completely different subject, but if I don't mention these things when I think of them, well, I zone out!

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  15. I now have a problem. My hubby and I were giggling all through church today at the "anything goes Sunday". My sister asked who the worship leader was because we've never seen him before. She then said "he's a little too enthusiatic". To which I said "he's working on getting Labor Day." She didn't get it but hubby and I laughed ourselves silly.

    Also, this post is excellent. You are a smart man. So is my husband,which is why we're so happy!

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  16. Hey, any more taking out the trash convictions and SCL and I are done. You got that Jon.

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  17. Good stuff. I really like the "babysitting your kids" as I have been guilty of using that expression countless times . . .

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  18. You are circulating the world. I got this link in a mass emailing! I already have you marked on my favorites, though.
    This post is great! The garbage thing is dead-on. I know so many men who think it's their only "chore," and then they can zone out in front of the tube while wife-y scrambles to bathe kids, cook dinner, wash clothes, you name it.
    Lucky for me, I have a fabulous husband who just howled at this email and decided to forward it to his family.

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  19. yeah, the babysitting thing is kind of weird. they're our children, we know that. but sometimes it feels like, w/o the wife around, y'know, it's glorified babysitting.

    glorified because it's YOUR baby and all...

    i, btw, only said it once because i couldn't find the right word. and. i. will. never. say. it. again.

    chicagodads.today.com

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  20. In response to Chirsty:
    Yeah that has totally happened to me before too, several times. I guess it's another good reason not zone out during a sermon.

    Oh and the blogpost was good too, I'll have to keep those things in mind if I ever get married.

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  21. YAY
    keep communicating bold thoughts laid upon your heart.
    sooOOOooo necessary!

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  22. Yeah well I get in trouble for saying I am babysitting the kids and I am just the Uncle!! I mean I didn't make any of those bills with legs!

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  23. HILARIOUS. (and pointed, too) Is your wife going to guest post one for us ladies?

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  24. Christy:

    Your not alone . . .

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  25. Hi -- first time to comment...
    I loved your post!! I love all of your posts!
    Something I wanted to add to the happiness in marriage department. I've been married now for fourteen years and my husband and I discovered something early on. It's very easy to nit-pick each other and say things that aren't kind, very easy to continue a bad mood and be frustrated at the little things. Why? Why do we treat our lovers like this? I think it is because we are too comfortable around them and we take them for granted. In our early marriage we were having one of these days and then a friend came over to visit. Immediately we turned on the smiles and kind words and happy thoughts. It was a bit hard at first, but very quickly our smiles became genuine. After the friend left, we talked about how we treated our friend better than we treated each other. We decided that it was a choice. We chose to put on the smile and be happy and kind. We were a bit surprised that the smiles and happy dispositions became genuine after a relatively short time. If we did that for our friend, how much more should we do that for each other??
    So, from that day on, we actively worked on choosing to smile and be kind and keep our voices to a discussion level. It has worked. Is it difficult at times? Absolutely!! Does it get easier over time? Absolutely!! Is it worth it? Absolutely!!

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  26. What?! Nothing about letting her critique your driving when you do it all when you're together?

    Certainly this has to be high up on the list, because those that are in the passenger seat are always better drivers than the one actually doing the driving.

    Great post.

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  27. about the backrubs. You can give a timed backrub. But you MUST end it properly, or it will just stress her out. If you are giving a timed or short backrub:

    - everything has to be symmetrical. If you work your fingers down one side of her spine, work them down (not up!) the other side. Plan accordingly. If you spend five minutes on one side, spend five minutes on the other. Close to the end, start doing things that are centered, so the if time runs out you don't have to do another side.

    - everything has to be reasonably well-balanced. Don't skip any spots. Again, plan accordingly.

    - take some time to figure out where her natural boundaries are. A shoulder rub should end at the tops of the shoulder-blades, going down an inch or two further in between the shoulder-blades. A backrub should end at the tail bone, which is lower on women than it is on men. Map out the basic 'regions' and rub one region at a time. If you start a region, plan on finishing it unless she tells you otherwise - rubbing half a region will drive her nuts.

    - finish properly. Don't just stop rubbing. Use a few long sweeping strokes with a medium-to-gentle firmness. Then place your hands flat on her back, pressing gently, for a bit, and then lift off. Don't change the temperature, lighting, ambient noise, or topic of conversation until she's had a minute or two to relax and collect her thoughts.

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  28. Good job, Jon, you are learning young : ) My biggest pet peeve is when someone asks me if my dh is babysitting the kids. Ummm no, he is doing what I do every day of my life, they are his children too, ya know!

    And I am going to have to have my dh read this post, I would be in heaven to get a 14 minute back rub, the only time I get a back rub is if he is going to get something in return. Not fair, there should be no conditions attached to said back rub.

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  29. to jennym --

    i think there is a difference between knowing where everything is/running the house on the domestic side and actually being #1. my husband, though he can be a little clueless at times, is in fact the head of our family, has the final word on big decisions and purchases, and meets the needs of the family. i certainly think that's how God intended it. i think that we really need to take that passage in ephesians to heart and engage in mutual submission -- and if anyone gets "outed for being 2nd in command" -- it should be us, the wives.

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  30. 14 minutes on backrubs??!!
    What kind of back-rub heaven do these lucky females live in?!
    If I got 14-minute backrub at least twice a week, Id probably absolve my husband from ANY other responsibilities for like a year.


    A woman can dream. I mean, how HARD is it to just sit and watch TV while your hand just HAPPEN to be kneading another human's back?

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  31. I was a Pampered Chef consultant for 5 years. I always had a Q & A session (about owning a PC business) as part of my demo. I really think steam came out of my ears whenever someone asked me if my husband *babysat* our children while I *worked*. I finally told one person (towards the end of my stint as a consultant) that "no, my husband doesn't babysit our kids, he parents them." Yeah, she didn't become a consultant.

    Abby

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  32. I was laughing so hard at this post and anticipating rubbing it in my husband's face. Then I got to the timed back rub comment. Man. I so time my back rubs for my husband. My hands get tired! Now I am torn.

    -caroline

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  33. 14 MINUTE BACK RUB?! I'd kill for a whole 14 seconds!

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  34. AMEN #4! I hear dads say this all the time, and I don't get it. Let's CO-parent, shall we? my husband rocks.

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