Recently, a woman I know passed away. Days after what was a long battle with an illness was over, her boss, determined to cement his place in the "Worst Boss Ever" hall of fame, sent out an email to all her friends, family members and coworkers. In it he said,
"More than anything Susan would want us to continue working through what is the worst economic crisis this country and our company has faced. She would want us to push through this recession."
When I get to heaven, I'm going to ask God at least two questions:
1. What was the deal with fire ants?
2. How did you not just continually strike that guy with lightning bolts all day long?
Seriously, that is the worst post death message I've ever heard. To use someone's passing as a platform to move more sales of your product is unbelievable. And her boss sent out multiple rounds of that same idea, just to make sure the point was driven home.
Rumor has it that one day, I too, will die, but I'm not worried about an email like that circulating about me. I don't fear that fate because as my friend Bruce reminded me, Christians excel at coming up with creative ways to say, "He died." Like few people on the planet, we can eulogize the loss of a friend. And if I do go anytime soon, I hope you'll pick one of these four popular methods to say “He’s dead.”:
1. "Heaven got a new football coach."
I read this one the other day in a newspaper article and although it won't fit perfectly for me or maybe you, the concept works. Whatever you were doing on earth just so happens to be something they needed in heaven and now you'll be able to fulfill that role beyond the pearly white gates. In this case, the guy was a football coach, in my case, a sarcastic writer. Either way, it's kind of funny because it calls to mind a bunch of angels sitting around on a field with some former NFL stars wishing they had a coach who could lead them through some drills. All of the sudden, poof, he's there and the angels are finally able to practice and eventually play the demons that Frank Peretti created in his book "Facing the Darkness." (The demon football team by the way uses the Raiders uniform and the angels are modeled after the New England Patriots. You'll probably claim bias on my part since I'm from New England but I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible.)
2. “He's looking down on us from heaven.”
Based on what we say when someone passes away, heaven involves a lot of looking down. When you get up there, there's just a big window back to earth and instead of TV, you just watch what the people you love are doing. If that's true, I have to imagine that some of the people watching me, like my grandfather, are like people at a horror movie that yell at the screen. Instead of screaming, "Don't open that closet," my grandfather says things like, "Don't take that job Jon! Stop thinking about money first. Write your second book instead of watching an MTV Real World marathon. Oh no, you are killing me." He probably doesn’t say that last sentence, but I do have to confess that it feels a little egotistical to assume that when someone goes to heaven, one of the main activities they do is watch our lives. They're in heaven. No offense, I'll keep tabs on ya'll with whatever sort of angelic Twitter they have in heaven but I have to believe there will be a majillionity other cool things to do in heaven that don't involve me watching you go to the grocery store or file your taxes.
3. “He's with his wife now.”
Although I've cleared my wife to marry someone who is shorter, less funny and less handsome than me should I die an early death, according to what many people say, she'll come hang out with me when it’s all over. It's very popular to imagine heaven like this bus depot where our loved ones are waiting for us to finally join them. Is that what heaven is like? Do all your buddies and family members that passed away before you make a welcome home banner that they hang from palm trees (my version of heaven is all palm trees) and then when you get there, they say, "That took forever, we've been trying to put together a foursome for Frisbie golf. Finally." I don't know about that one, tough call.
4. “He's gone to a better place.”
One of my favorite things about being a Christian is that you never have to say the phrase, "It doesn't get any better than this," because it does. Even if you're one of those people I see on the television show International House Hunters where they go look at three different houses in foreign locations like the Grand Caymans Islands and then buy one and say, "We love it here. We're so glad we're not a middle class copywriter living in Georgia who doesn't get to tickle dolphins every morning when the sun wakes us up from our beds, which by the way, are hammocks woven of happiness." Even if you're that guy, it does get better. Heaven is better, and I'm a big fan of the simplicity of "He's gone to a better place."
I'm not sure what people will say after I die, hopefully it will be something from that list because those are my four favorite options.
But I promise I missed some.
What's the best thing you've ever heard someone say after someone else passed away?
I've never heard anything cool. It's always the same trite stuff. When I die, though, I want someone to say one of the following:
ReplyDelete"Don't worry, he's eating fish sticks with Jesus now." I don't like fish sticks, but if Jesus were serving them, I'd eat them.
"Free pants for someone who's short, yet chubby!"
"Hold your breath. We dropped the urn, and you don't want to inhale Jeff."
My personal favourite: "Heaven has a new angel." Just saw that one in a Facebook post from someone who should know better.
ReplyDeleteFallen off the perch
ReplyDeleteGone to the land of eternal frisbee
"She's walking around in golden stilettos now."
ReplyDelete@Shilingi-Moja: That's one of my pet peeve phrases from those who should know better, too! It's not like the Bible isn't pretty clear on angels as separate beings.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm with Jon on the egotism of "they're watching us." I guess maybe the thought is comforting to some, but should we be more comforted by the Biblical thought that they are rejoicing in heaven with Jesus and having God wipe all their tears away and that someday we'll get to do that, too?
For the "he's with his wife" style comments, Jesus himself is pretty clear about that issue when the Sadducees come along with their crazy "one woman and seven brothers" illustration meant to prove that the idea of resurrection is ridiculous.
Mayvbe just a simple "I'm here. What can I do to help?" would be sufficient.
ReplyDeletewell, the one that makes me mad is, "God finally healed them." Ok I get the truth of the statement but it feels like a real slap in the face.
ReplyDeleteI like the email better than the 4 cliche answers given. At least he has a healthy dose of moving on. Whereas the other statements are said about everyone so they don't mean anything.
ReplyDeleteI side step it all by just not saying anything.
One of the classic sitcom moves is to have someone say, "He's gone to a better place." Then clarify it by saying "New England" or some other specific location.
ReplyDeleteI've long thought that saying "God needed someone in heaven" is asserting that the Almighty is quite needy and clingy (well, the prophets are always saying He's "jealous", I guess.)
I need to steal one of these. I have a habit of just saying someone died, or is dead, instead of passing away or moving on, or whatever. My disinclination to use a euphemism seems to bother people.
ReplyDelete@Glynn, I agree completely. I think in these situations the best thing to do is to knock with your feet because your hands are full (most likely with a casserole dish!)
ReplyDeleteThe thing I hear too often that REALLY makes me angry is "It is a shame, because he/she didn't know the Lord" or some variant thereof. Can't tell you how sad I am when I think that it may be true, but how I'm even more hurt by the energy people put into saying this.
My dear friend is in the hospital delivering her stillborn daughter as I write. I just finished reading a list of condolence thoughts on FB, which were all pretty standard - except this one, which touched me: "Praying Jesus is making your precious baby girl laugh at this very moment. She's beat you to His arms." I'm with Shilingi-Moja - "heaven" doesn't need this baby girl to be an angel. It's a ridiculous thought. But oh, to be in the arms of Jesus... What better Parent could we seek when denied the priviledge ourselves?
ReplyDeleteThanks for offering a little levity to a situation we've all faced. Perhaps in your humor, you've reminded us all to guard our words to those who are grieving!
Now, I'm off to dig this country out of it's economic crisis - I know that's what my friend would want me to do...
Several of my youth have voted me "most likely to kick it with Jesus someday" on my Facebook. I've never heard it at a funeral, but I want it said at mine. Because, face it, what's cooler than Kickin' it with jesus?
ReplyDelete"Jesus called."
ReplyDeleteWritten above a floral arrangement that has a telephone in the middle.
You're probably not supposed to laugh at funerals, but some people make it really hard, you know?
He is now dancing on the golden streets.
ReplyDeleteJewda, nice. If I remember correctly, and I am sure I do, I really hope no one ever drops your urn.
Not quite on topic, but it's all I've got. A little old lady died and the other little old ladies were crowded around the casket. The preacher and a deacon were just behind them and I was nearby, when one of the little old ladies commented, "She just looks so natural." Then I heard the deacon crack a smile and whisper to the pastor, "Preacher, she looks *dead!*" That was a hard one for me and the pastor to keep a straight face with.
ReplyDeleteI hope what's said about me is, "Heaven needed more laughter!" Although I know Heaven doesn't need my laughter, that's what I want people to think :-)
ReplyDeleteMy friend, a professional landscaper, had a client die from a heart attack within days after her company finished a large ($$$$) project. The widow told my friend at the viewing that the heart attack was from the bill he received from her company :-)
I teach English to international students for a living, a job which I think is going to be pretty useless in heaven. I think we're probably all going to understand each other fine, and honestly, the last thing I want in heaven is someone running up to me and saying, "Teacher! Why we use present perfect in this sentence and not simple past?"
ReplyDeleteAll this is to say, when I die, I do NOT want people saying, "Heaven got another English teacher." I don't know what I'll be doing in heaven, but teaching English is probably not it.
I read this post then within 5 minutes read this article
ReplyDeletehttp://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/08/26/0826_shaw.html?imw=Y
"We truly believe she is on a horse somewhere."
Anyone got a theology on that one?
When I spoke at my mom's funeral, I described her as running into the arms of Jesus, because she was bed-ridden the last few months of her life.
ReplyDeleteWhen we were watching my dad's grave being filled in after the burial, I could picture him looking down from heaven and watching the workers to make sure they did it right, because that's the kind of person he was.
"He'll always be with you" or "She'll always be in your heart" are ones I've seen on TV shows a lot and now seem to be making the rounds in real life. Well, no, they're not really with me -- that's why I miss them! Memories are great, but I'd love to hug them or at least have a chance to say good-bye.
ReplyDeleteBut the one to me that is not amusing is when someone speaks of having lost a loved one and someone says, "You haven't lost them: we know right where they are." The people saying this are Christians who mean well, but it comes across sounding self-righteous and feels like a slap across the face. Of course I haven't "lost" them in the same sense I lost my car keys, but I have suffered a loss, and like the loss of a limb, it hurts. There is grace and comfort in the Lord, but it still hurts for a long time.
I think the best thing is just a hug or maybe an "I'm praying for you."
Yeah, never mind that the Bible clearly states that humans and angels are distinctly different beings. Oh, and no less an authority than Jesus himself said we will not be married in heaven. Yet even pastors and others who should know better will say things like 'heaven has another angel' or 'he went to be with his wife.'
ReplyDeleteMy grandfather owned a carpet cleaning company, and when he died, the pastor said at his funeral "I guess God just needed his carpets cleaned". I was only 13, but I still nearly fell out of my chair- it was the dumbest thing I had ever heard.
ReplyDeleteAnd I spit out my drink when I read "hammocks woven out of happiness".
My sister passed away 11 years ago. She was buried in my granmother's hometown which we didnt visit very often. I mention the location beacuse to this day I still remember what my Uncle said to me at the funeral.
ReplyDeleteI was sitting in a chair watching all the people that have come to visit. He sat next to me, put his arm around me and with a smile on his face said:
"See anybody you don't know"
I laughed so much I cried! Maybe it was the emotion, but to this day I use that line at funerals and have always gotten a laugh!
@sherri - I love yours. I hope that's what someone says about me.
ReplyDelete@surviving 4 - that's the first non-trite, serious thing I've ever heard someone say. I think that actually would bring comfort instead of a token half-smile.
Thanks for the second reference in your list. It bugs me when people tell me my best friend, who is in Heaven, is looking down on me. I know they're being sweet, but in my head I'm thinking "She TOTALLY isn't. She's in the presence of God. Why would she give a hoot about me and my life?" But that's just me...
ReplyDeleteFunny stuff man! Love it and love your sweet spirit too.
One of the loveliest things I've ever heard was said by a man whose two sisters died in a fire before they were even ten - that they had "returned to the embrace of God."
ReplyDeleteOh my, you make me laugh, Jon.
ReplyDeleteThe one that gets me is when someone says (and people seem to always say this to each other on reality shows whenever a contestant gets choked up about their deceased loved ones-- I've heard ole' Tyra say this like a thousand times): "She is always here with you. I can feel her."
It gives me the creeps, seriously. I know that people are thinking that they are trying to be comforting, but it's just creepy (not to mention scripturally WRONG.) Besides, would you even want your beloved mother to be constantly watching you, as you drive down the road, picking your nose? I think not.
Oh, and "Heaven has a new angel" gets me, too. Especially when the people who say it know it doesn't work that way.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, and here's my nickle's worth of free advice. If someone just suffered through the death of someone they love, just hug them, shake their hand, whatever. And then just say "I'm sorry" or "I'm praying for you" or "I'm here if you want to talk". Those are so much more healing and helpful than angels and better place talk.
ReplyDeleteThat being said...I want those attending my funeral to say, "She's with Jesus and she's having the best hair day ever!"
Jewda...that was a hoot! I may have to twitter that ;-)
"He or She has gone to meet Jesus face to face. Now they can sit at His feet and worship Him eternally."
ReplyDelete(What's better than that?)
Can I also say one other thing? (Then I promise I will stop the ranting.) Something I don't understand, honestly, and maybe someone can enlighten me, because maybe it's just a cultural thing...
ReplyDeleteWhat is the deal with the huge back window car decals that say, "In Memory of Tito, 1974-2008"? Did they buy the car instead of a headstone? Was he in the particular car when he died? I can understand "We Miss You, Tito" but I don't understand what exactly is in memory of Tito.
Or maybe this is another weird thing that they only have down here in the south. I'm seriously not trying to be disrespectful, but I've been scratching my head for years now.
As a pastor, i have to use these for funerals. My preferred is to say they've passed on. I like this because it opens the door for me to speak about how they are enjoying the bliss of our Savior's presence. But, it also gives me opportunity to talk about what has been passed on to us. What their life taught us.
ReplyDeleteAt my funeral, I suppose that there's a part of me that wants someone to say "Look! He's breathing!" But, what i really want is for people to have a party of sorts to celebrate my arriving home and the life that i've been honored to lead.
Agree with Ellen about the car decal. T-A-C-K-Y!!!!
ReplyDeleteHowever, the one that really gets my goat is this: After Dale Earnhart died, a popular bumper sticker was "I guess God needed a driver." God doesn't need anything people!!!!! He is the omnipotent, eternal creator of the universe! He doesn't need a driver and there are probably not cars in heaven anyway.
My father-in-law passed away in June after 6 weeks with leukemia. He was a Godly man who was a missionary for 50 years. His testimony was strong all the way and particularly moving during his illness. The best thing I heard said about him was "He taught us how to live and in 6 weeks he also taught us how to die."
ReplyDeleteMy mom was ill before her death so she talked a lot about it. She couldn't wait to have her physical body restored(amputee, diabetic). And she gave us specific instructions about her burial: "I want to be buried in the shade. I can't stand being in the sun while I'm alive and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit in it for eternity!" On her grave stone it says "Safely Home". And she was buried in the shade.
ReplyDeleteMy father-in-law's mother passed away about a month or so ago, and the minister who performed her sermon talked about "making our dash count". That really stuck with me. Some day, on a headstone somewhere it's going to say my name and May 5, 1972 - (Insert date here).
ReplyDeleteI don't really want people to remember the date of my birth, or even the date of my passing. I want my DASH to mean something.
First off, that's very generous of you allowing your wife to remarry with only those minor restrictions. Seriously, that made me laugh out loud.
ReplyDeleteJewda - Dang. That was funny.
Here's what my son said at his great-uncle's grave side service before they lowered the casket into the ground:
(Pulling into the cemetary):
Son: What are we doing at a boneyard!?!
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Son: I'm gonna miss that guy.
Me: What guy?
Son: The guy under that big green blanket.
When we die do we go straight to heaven? Or are we the ones caught up to meet him?
ReplyDeleteI'm going to be serious...
ReplyDeleteI delivered my son's body @ 16 weeks gestation, and I had several very hurtful things said to me (i.e. "You'll be a great mom someday" as though it was my fault my unborn child had died or that I was not an actual mother because I didn't give birth to a live baby).
I've spent a lot of time thinking over what to say and what not to say, especially to moms who miscarry. What I say always depends on whether or not the person is a Christian, because I don't want to offend/anger/hurt a non-Christian by saying some "churchy" thing that would do absolutely nothing to comfort them.
For a Christian mom of miscarriage, I usually say something to the effect of, "I don't understand what you're going through, because we all deal with miscarriage differently, but I'm here for you in whatever capacity you need. My son is with Jesus, too, and I have so much comfort in knowing that the very first time he opened his eyes, he saw the face of Jesus. Holding onto that truth has made not having him here bearable...at least most of the time."
I like to follow that up with a warm hug and a bag of her favorite candy, because that bag of Dove chocolate I ate after my miscarriage helped a lot. :)
The key is to listen to what those who are grieving are saying and to respond as kindly, gently, and compassionately as possible. And pray. If you know ahead of time what's happened, pray about what to say when you get there.
A really great book I read shortly before my miscarriage was "Turn My Mourning into Dancing: Finding Hope in Hard Times" by Henri J.M. Nouwen. I highly recommend it for anyone facing loss of any kind. It's short, profound, and it helped me immensely.
The one I've heard the most:
ReplyDelete"He/she has gone home to be with the Father"
Before I really understood how stupid it was, I used to say - "He's/She's in a place he's/she's worked all his/her life to be."
ReplyDeleteI even said it about my grandfather who, had he been able to, would have pulled out the bible and pointed out how wrong I was.
My marriage was on shaky ground when my husband died just 7 weeks after being diagnosed with cancer-of-the-everything. Not one but TWO people actually had the nerve to say to me "this must have been God's way of *solving* your problem".
ReplyDeleteBest thing you can say:
I'm so sorry. I'll be there...
Saturday to mow your lawn
...Sunday to do your laundry...tomorrow night to vacuum and mop...Tuesday afternoon with a casserole...tonight to sit with you while you cry.
And not just for a week or two.
Vicki in NC
my pet peeve is saying someone has "passed on" - what exactly have they passed on? Their next breath? An infectious disease? Passed away is just as bad. Why DO people get so upset and try to avoid the simplicity of "he/she died"?
ReplyDelete"We lost _____" always makes me wonder too. I mean when something's lost, it has a chance of being found? Sure it's a loss for people, I'm not denying or minimizing the pain of that. just the expressions we use that really beat around the bush and do no-one much good at all.
To the comment posters, not Jon: Please don't be so selfish and ungrateful. Be thankful you have people in your life (even if they are nervous/shy/inarticulate) who want to make you feel better and show you they love you in your crisis. They're likely nervous about how to tell you because they don't know if you use plain English like "die" or if you use cover-up language. They come from all types backgrounds; they grew up hearing different things. Maybe what they said to you really meant the world to them when someone once said it to them after a loss. Maybe you think the words are stupid, but I'll guarantee you that the motive behind the words is loving and comforting. Don't base so much on the words, look at people's hearts!
ReplyDeleteHammocks woven of happiness? :)
ReplyDeleteWhen my mother died after a long battle with cancer, one person told me it was worse for the families when death was sudden and surprising. I'd like to know how she knew this, given that none of HER family members had died from sudden accidents OR long drawn-out illnesses.
When I die, I'd like people just to say, she's dead. D-E-A-D. Not some nice little euphemism so that people can pretend that death is somehow easy or doesn't come to all of us. However, like you say, "she's in a better place now" sounds just about right. Because it's true.
@ Jewda...
ReplyDeleteYou gave me a great laugh this morning. Thank you! :)
Oh, and one more thing: I like this one:
ReplyDeleteFREE AT LAST
"He blew the doors off of Heaven."
ReplyDeleteIt always gives me a bizarre picture of the ensuing destruction and questionable reality of Heaven even having doors.
i was just looking at your post numbers and im sure youve been asked this before but what are you going to do when you get to post 666?
ReplyDeleteGreat Post, Jon.
ReplyDeleteWhatever happened to using the Biblical "fell asleep"? That seems appropriate, since our bodies will be resurrected one day.
Although, I would like to see Heaven's football jerseys after Denver. I agree, the demon's jerseys are Oakland.
The writers at NBC need to read this post, or at least submit that boss' email to them for The Office. That was soooo Michael Scott (and heinous).
ReplyDeleteWell, I was gonna write something about dancing with Jesus or eternal bliss or whatever, and then I looked down to see a wolf spider that surely must have measured 2 feet in diameter right next to my foot. I came very close to being able to LITERALLY finding out what happens; nearly had a heart attack over here. My best scenario to support someone who is grieving? Mouth closed, arms open, hands full.
ReplyDelete(and I was so flustered by Ahnold the spider that I obviously forgot how to properly construct a sentence AND how to proofread before hitting enter. Sorry).
ReplyDeleteWhen my dad died, the best possible scenario was when someone would come up to me and simply say, "I am so sorry," and just give me a hug. I think the need to "say" something is just for US, our need to fix things...not the one who is experiencing the loss. There are not any words in that moment, so a simple "I'm sorry," and/OR a hug will MORE than suffice.
ReplyDeleteI have a hard time digging the "God/Heaven needed a...." if only because it makes me hope that God doesn't decide He needs an MMO-playing board game designer with a working knowledge of Crystal Reports.
ReplyDeletePersonally I'd prefer, "S/he's waiting for the resurrection" since that's what I believe, but I can see how that wouldn't exactly be comforting to most people.
My friend who gave birth at 40 weeks stillborn has on the headstone, "In His presence there is fullness of joy." How appropo. I want this on mine. She has an excellent blog that has helped lots of people who are struggling with the death of someone dear: http://thepipers.wordpress.com/
ReplyDeleteWorking with kids as a profession, I get a lot of prayer requests by the young'ns for dead relatives. Having a moderate theological background coupled with a strong attention deficit 're'order (because I embrace it) I find myself struggling to weave some sort of prayer that is satisfactory to the child.
ReplyDelete"God, we thank you for allowing us to love Granny Gerta...and we ask that you would help us to remember all the fun times with her. And please give us the ability to love others...like we loved Granny Gerta."
Disaster averted!
I always feel really awkward and don't say much at all at first when running into someone who has had a death in the family, but a few times when they've talked about it for a while with me I've mentioned that I wonder what the orientation is like to Heaven. It's a fun concept and I don't think it's flippant. The big thing is death is so permanent and such a big blow that it evades our attempts to smooth over it and the more we try to smooth over it the worse of a mess we make. Like so many people said, often silence and a hug are the only things we can really offer.
ReplyDeleteI am burying my mother tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteReading this post and the comments made me laugh and cry at the same time. I am sure it will come to mind tomorrow at the service, and I will be grateful to have the laugh inside my mind....
And @Anon Vicki in NC@7:26... -- Yes. Oh yes. We've had lots of "Let me know if there's anything I can do." And we've had an unending supply of lasagna (I tried begging one generous dinner-bringer to stop at McDonald's instead. They didn't believe me). But oh, would I love for someone to say "I'll come over to vacuum and mop." Because tomorrow afternoon, the world is coming over with more lasagna in hand, and I have a house to clean, and it's so overwhelming.
Next time, someone I love loses someone they love, I'm going to forget the lasagna and go clean their house.
I think it'll be interesting to see what the relationship between husband and wife is actually like in heaven.
ReplyDeleteYes, the Bible says that there's no marrying or being given in marriage, but at the same time, if marriage is a holy covenant between a man, a woman, and God, there's something eternal about it. On earth, it's a reflection of Christ's relationship with the Church, and that relationship will be fulfilled in heaven, eliminating the need for the reflection (yet another of those things that we will "see in full" then), but it's still something holy and far-reaching.
I mean, who really knows what that covenant will look like for eternity, but I think that there's still something that will set it apart, even though it may look nothing like "marriage" as we see it now on earth.
I wonder, too, what the "great cloud of witnesses" looks like. That seems to be a Biblical precedent for some sort of intercession by those who have lived and died before us. Maybe they're not standing in front of a giant window watching us, but I wonder if that's more than just a symbolic exhortation to be encouraged by the lives and stories of those who have gone before. We ask our friends and family for intercessory prayer on our behalf while on earth, and that's one of the great privileges of being in relationship with both God and other people, so it seems that it would, in some way, continue to be a privilege of worship in heaven.
But then again, who really knows.
My in-laws do not have personal relationships with Christ. It was not clear to me the depth of what that exactly means until my grandfather passed. They sent my family cards of "comfort" that were so weird, confusing and unclear that all we could say was, 'These people REALLY do not know Christ.' It breaks my heart. When talking about life after death, these folks don't know the truth. How could they? They're lost. Therefore our commitment to help them find the truth should intensify.
ReplyDeleteIn the last 4 months our Pastor has lost his Father, Son, Brother-In-Law, and Family Dog. He should write a post like this...because he has had some good ones.
ReplyDeleteHere are some of my favorite.
"I have a revelation from God. He has been speaking to me to tell you something. He wants you to know that you are a modern-day Job."
Church Member: Well, he's in a better place.
Pastor (after losing his son and being very angry): Really? Then why don't we line your kids up and send them to a better place since it's so horrible being here with their parents.
"He's playing basketball with Air Jesus"
"How many more people can die in your family? Who's Next?"
Those are just a snippet. The 2nd one seems harsh...but understand the circumstance.
This is not biblical, and slightly off topic but I was reminded by your point about our deceased loved one's "watching over us now".
ReplyDeleteA few months after my first husband died, I dreamt that he visited me from heaven. In the dream, we jumped around laughing and hugging and I told him he looked great, and he looked me in the eyes and earnestly replied, "They have EVERYTHING here!"
Since then, I don't think he's watching me, he's having too much fun.
I forgot to mention this when I posted earlier...
ReplyDeleteTwo years ago, my uncle committed suicide. We had two memorial services - one in the town where he lived, and one in his hometown for my grandmother's benefit. At the hometown service, there was no end to the tacky things people said to us - not all of them related to my uncle, but all coming from not really knowing what to say:
To my sister: "Aren't you tall! When did you get so tall! Do you come by that naturally?"
To me: "Well, Emily, you're not that tall at all, are you. I don't think you've grown since I last saw you." (I was 23 at the time. Probably not.)
To my uncle's ex-wife, who brought their 11-year-old son: "Wasn't it nice of them to let you come?"
And then the minister, who didn't know my uncle at all, spent the entire sermon talking about how sick and sad people who commit suicide are. I think he was aiming at saying that suicide victims still go to heaven, but never quite got there. I know that all of these people meant well and were really just at a loss for words, especially considering how my uncle died. But I really appreciated the people who just said, "I'm so sorry," and left it at that.
I think my mother-in-law kept a healthy perspective after she lost her son (my husband's brother) and people kept saying, "He's looking down on you." She said (not to those people but to my husband and me), "I don't find that very comforting. What about when you're sitting on the commode or having sex?" I tend to agree with her on that one. Having a multitude of loved ones watching your every move is not a comfort when you really get down to the nitty-gritty.
ReplyDeleteWord verification: untme--the time that God blocks your loved ones from watching you do embarrassing stuff from heaven.
My mom died in '92, when I was 21, and my dad died in Feb of last year. At the viewing 2 people made a comment to me about being an orphan! Now, the one person did the equivalent of "bless your heart" by saying that God is a Father to the fatherless, blah, blah, blah. How comforted I felt...
ReplyDeleteOn a flower display:
ReplyDeleteJesus called; Johnny answered.
no contribution here just really appreciated the post...being in ministry I just really work hard not to say stupid stuff like that...death seems to activate the "say something trite" gene...
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ReplyDeleteI think my favorite phrase is "You'll see them again soon."
ReplyDeleteI'll see them again soon?? The only way I'll see them again soon is if I die. Do you know something I don't?!
I was over 1000 miles away from my family when my beloved grandfather was dying. He had a terrible drawn out death that lasted for over a month. The entire time all I needed was someone to hold me when I cried and tell me that it was going to be okay. Amazing how the simplest things are what we need, yet what we receive is nowhere near that. Do you think it's because people are afraid it isn't enough to hold someone and just say, "it's going to be alright." I think we're uncomfortable as a society watching someone grieve so we throw out trivial phrases and check it off as our good deed.
And I'm off the soapbox :)
In general there isn't anyone I don't like. But on the off chance that there will eventually be someone on the "Stacy Don't Play That" list I have made Dan promise me the following. Assuming I die first I want to be creamated. Then I want Dan to visit my nemesis and mix my ashes in their ground coffee. You may think that's sick and twisted but I suggest you keep that comment to yourself. Otherwise you'd better hide the Maxwell house for the rest of your life.
ReplyDeleteMy younger brother is an actor/comedian, and I've always been a big fan of his funeral plans (which is ADAMANT about):
ReplyDelete1)He's hoping technology is up enough to allow him to be animated. He doesn't care if they have to take out his bones and put in machines, but he wanted to be like those characters in "Its a Small World" where they can move.
2) He wants an open casket, and when people come to the viewing, the wants to be able to sit up and greet people.
3)He wants a recording of his own voice to say, "Thank you for coming, so nice to see you, my what a lovely hat..."
4) he'd like to "personally" shake everyone's hand as they come by.
5) I think he wants something to do with ninjas repelling from the ceiling, but come on now...that's a bit over the top don't you think?
@ Amy at 7:42 a.m. - good point. They mean well, even if their words don't convey it well.
ReplyDelete@ Janet - also a great point. when we grieve and mourn, we're not going to be so quick to tell the people who offer help what they can do to help. at those times, it's best to just jump in.
grief is a lonely place to be. so sometimes, it's helpful just to know that someone's there.
i find it's better not to try to pretend you understand if you don't. giving chocolate (or preferred comfort food of choice) and saying something simple and honest like, "i'm so sorry. i know i don't understand how much this hurts and sucks, but i'm here to listen or if you want, a distraction."
i think if anything, the honesty cuts down on the "white elephant in the room" awkwardness. give them space to process aloud. let your bereaved friend, family member know that you're there with them - or at least are trying as best as you can to be - while it feels like the rest of the world has moved on when theirs has come to a halt.
when my two friends died in a car accident - about 8 years ago, they were still in high school - at their funeral, the pastor read isaiah 57:1-2 and in that circumstance, it spoke volumes to me.
I don't know if I've heard anything good. I just know that I never want to be associated with RIP. I think it's creepy. If you ever find yourself using initials around my dead body, I hope they're more along the lines of MAACTYCPIUYEI:
ReplyDeleteMore Abundantly Alive in Christ Than You Could Possibly Imagine Unless You Experience It.
I don't care that RIP is shorter. Deal with it.
Regarding #1. Um, no way angels wear uniforms modeled after the New England Patriots. They wear blue uniforms with a horseshoe on the side. I thought you'd know better. Saint Dungy is saddened.
ReplyDeleteWhen my grandfather died several years ago, we all said "Boy, God's got his hands full now!" My Papa was a mess on earth and we have no reason to think that anything changed when he got to heaven. My little nephew (probably 5 or 6 @ the time)would say in his prayers, "God, I hope Papa Sid is behaving for ya!"
ReplyDeleteMy mom took the whole "they are looking down on us now" to a new level. I was 8 or 9 when my grandmother died, and every time I did something bad she would say "you know your grandmother can see you doing that!"
ReplyDeleteI work with one of the top grief counselors in the nation (of the US), and she teaches that one should always use the word "died" or "dead" instead of couching it in unrealistic terms. Though it sounds more harsh to think about it like that, it actually helps the grieving process begin.
ReplyDeleteAccording to my husband, we won't be together in heaven because our vows stipulate otherwise: "'Til death do us part." In other words, he said, he's free to date when he gets to heaven. Little does he know...
ReplyDeleteHow do people respond when a person has not been saved? I really struggle with that question.
ReplyDeleteI simply say, "I am so sorry." Because that is exactly how my heart feels. A friend whose young daughter was killed in a car accident told me that those simple words gave her the most comfort; all the cliches simply angered her.
ReplyDeleteA young man at a funeral, unsure of what to say to the widow of the deceased said to his friends, "I never know what to the widow."
ReplyDeleteSo, one of the friends responded, "You just say 'I'm so sorry for your loss' then move on."
So, when he gets to the front of the queue he takes the widow's hand in both of his and gently tells her, "I'm so sorry for your loss, now move on."
"He's probably in a cage-fighting tournament with David, Daniel, and one of the Archangels"
ReplyDeleteMy friend was a former cage fighter and an ex-con who came to Christ several months before his death.
My sister died at 29, five days after giving birth. At the lunch after her funeral, two people told me I should marry my brother-in-law.
ReplyDeleteEveryone always asked what they could do. We joked about writing things like, "mow the lawn" and "wash my car" on little pieces of paper, putting them in a jar, and letting people pick one when they said that.
For me, the most comforting was when some said to me, teary eyed, "this sucks," and gave me a hug.
Maybe I'm weird, but I don't like when people are so emphatic that deceased loved ones are looking at them from heaven.
ReplyDeleteCall me anti-voyuerist or not, but a bunch of dead people in heaven staring at me doesn't really inspire me to do anything but hide under my bed.
And I'm an accountant, so Lord forbid someone says "Heaven just got a new accountant" when I pass. 'Cause Jesus needs more tax collectors? Um, I don't think so. :)
@ Jeff and Ellen--
ReplyDeleteIt is a cultural thing. It's too bad you find it tacky, but it means a great deal to the people who choose to honor their loved ones in such a way.
Well, I see at least Kevin and I have our theology correct. Angels playing football do have horseshoes on their uniforms. I'm pretty sure the opposition wears Pats uniforms.
ReplyDeleteI might have to quit reading SCL now :)
Wow, so much to say, so little space. My 16 yr old son went to Heaven Jan 12 2008. I do not think he is looking down on us. He's in Heaven, what would be heavenly about seeing the grief going on down here?
ReplyDeleteHe was a bullrider, that is what ended his earthly presence. God did not need a cowboy in Heaven, though I have heard this many times.
People have also said they were praying for Peyton. I wanted to ask WHY. He is in Heaven, he needs no prayers!!!
In the first months I told myself over and over that he was not coming back, it is very hard to make that soak into your brain.
Using the term, "he died" is a little hard to say because his BODY is dead, but PEYTON is not. He is more alive now than he ever was here on this earth.
I too live in the South. I love seeing the window decals in tribute to my son. Your worst fear is that they will be forgotten, even though I know this will not happen.
My family was treated extremely well by our community. I treasured every casserole, meat & cheese tray, roll of toilet paper, can of coffee, etc that was given, even though I didn't eat any of it. I'm sure I used the toilet paper though, I must have. I didn't care if my house was dirty though it wasn't, because people did that too.
It would be wonderful if all the cliches and unbiblical things people say when someone goes to Heaven would never be spoken. Unfortunately, people are ignorant, not stupid or unfeeling, the majority just don't know any better.
Thanks for the opportunity to rant.
One of the best things for my husband after his dad passed away was for people to tell stories about him. Even now, four years later, he still loves when someone tells him a story or just says "I was thinking about your dad today..."
ReplyDeleteI sometimes tend to say nothing at all when I'm worried about not having the perfect thing to say, but I think just letting people know we care about them enough to risk being awkward is nice.
One of the sweetest, most heartbreaking ones I ever heard was at my friend's funeral - she was a baptist pastor's kid. 14. And she was murdered.
ReplyDeleteAnd her father stood before the 800 gathered, and said with tears in his eyes as he finished the eulogy that someday, even though he's baptist and doesn't dance (a slight chuckle went through the crowd) he's going to dance in a new heaven and a new earth with his daughter, because he never got a chance to do it while on this earth.
Also, I can't remember who, but one of my friends made the parallel of the fact that in light of eternity, the life we live here on this earth is but a blink of an eye. And who knows how long each of our blinks is going to be, but considering we have all of eternity to spend before us with Jesus, what happens here is really a short time, no?
Another theme of that entire circumstance - the murder of a dear daughter, friend, sister - was that without Christ and his gospel, we would be those people who put their hope in silly little sayings - those people who ran away and formed their own utopia to escape grief (Ever seen The Village?) - those people who ended their life because they couldn't take it. But we have Christ. We'll be with him someday to, and his grace is all sufficient for the time he has allotted us on this earth.
My mother is terminally ill. She's been close several times but keeps refusing to go, LOL. Good for her, I say! But in her case, when the time finally comes and she dies, I will say in all honesty: "She's at home now". It may seem trite to some but for my mom...it will be totally appropriate.
ReplyDeleteMy wife and I's twins died (twin to twin transfusion) when she was at 32 weeks someone thought "oh there must have been something wrong with them" was comforting.
ReplyDeletebtw
Heavens football team has 5 super bowls and wears black and gold I mean what team was Saint Dungy with when he became a Christian??
@Alida (8:49 AM) - There's nothing eternal about the human marriage covenant - the marriage vows are only "until death do us part/ as long as you both shall live." Marriage is a precious gift from God, but it's a gift with an expiration date: the moment a spouse draws his/her last breath. A widow/ widower is no longer married in any sense of the word. If that were not the case, then every one of them who remarried would be a bigamist, and committing adultery against the dead spouse.
ReplyDeleteNo one does any bereaved spouse a favor by constantly referring to the one who died as if he/she were still married, especially after the initial bereavement period, which admittedly is of different lengths for different people. Until the bereaved spouse faces and accepts that reality, he/she will never let go and release the dead one and the past into the Lord's hands, and be able to become mentally and emotionally healthy enough to move on and really live in the present, which is the only place where the Lord's current will and gifts (including possibly the gift of another spouse) are for him/her while still on earth.
Besides, anyone who is in heaven is in the presence of the burning passion of the overwhelming love of God, and all desire is for Him. In heaven, there is no exclusivity, sexual desire, or romantic feelings for a human spouse, living or dead... there is just the pure agape love of God for that former spouse.
@RealityCheck:
ReplyDeleteI'm not talking about a marriage experience as we know it now. I'm simply expressing my curiousity as to what kind of form that particular relationship will take on in heaven.
Similarly, I wonder about the connection between someone and the person/people who were instrumental in leading him or her to Christ. Or the relationship between a parent and child. Mentor and mentee.
Those are all relationships with significant spiritual implications on earth, to varying degrees and different levels of commitment and formality, and I hope that there is still a place in heaven to celebrate those bonds and relationships, finally in the purity of God's presence, rather than in the muddled day-to-day life that we experience them in now.
I'm not talking about exclusivity or sexual desire in heaven; I'm talking about a recognition of the bonds that shape us on earth. And really, none of us has any idea what those will look like, but I can imagine that we will celebrate them as the act of worship that they are--when we love, it is a God-honoring act of worship. As heaven is worship, I hope and believe that it includes worship of all varieties. Loving others, being creative, singing and praying, using the gifts and individual talents that God gave us on earth.
All of those are ways that we worship, and I would hope that heaven's worship is experienced in all those ways--including in experiencing that spiritual bond between people, whatever earthly relationship it was found in.
We often send around prayer requests for current and former employees where I work. There've been a couple of times when I've gasped in shock when I read one of these prayer updates that start with the words, "After a long sickness, so-and-so was welcomed home yesterday."
ReplyDeleteTurns out, they really did go home, just not their eternal Home.
People may not like the idea of those on the other side being able to watch us, but the Bible is clear they can. And why do we think they are in the same time dimension as us that they would be too 'busy' with heaven to care about us? Perhaps they can be fully immersed in heaven, unbound by time, and able to 'cheer us on'. Watching us have sex or sit on the commode is probably not viewed the same way either. Just because I don't fully know exactly what it means when it talks about those who have died being aware of what is going on here, it doesn't mean I can just 'choose' to throw it out because it might make me uncomfortable. Perhaps I can just trust God that it is a good thing. We have such a limited view from this side that I get amazed at those who limit heaven with their earth-bound views.
ReplyDeleteI seem to keep coming back to this post with more; it must have hit a nerve.
ReplyDeleteI remember after my mum died, one of the nicest things was when my 4 year old nephew dictated a letter to her which he dropped in the grave - "Dear Gran, how are you? I went fishing and caught a shark! Well, I hope you are having fun in heaven. Love, F*****" Takes a kid to remind you that death is not the end.
I also remember that because my mum died, I suddenly felt like I could say things to people who had also lost loved ones. Usually it was simply "I'm so sorry. Death sucks."
When my grandfather was dying of cancer, I told my two managers at the theatre I worked at that I would not be there that weekend to do the show since I had to drive out of state ASAP. Their first response was, "The show must go on." To which I informed them it would go on without me. Then they said, "You need to get your priorities straight." I quit right then and there. Jerky bosses.
ReplyDeleteJust went to a funeral today and I heard a lot of those phrases. Whatever people have to do to make themselves feel better I guess. Personally, I like to talk about how awesome they were when they were alive.
"This isn't goodbye. This is "See you later'".
ReplyDeleteI've never heard anything other than all the usual stuff.
Death is hard for people to befriend.
I say, call death what it is. Then, we can mourn and grieve.
And while we're at it, offer a shoulder, send a card, and bring some comfort food over.
Last week my husband's grandfather died and when I told my friend she asked me, "And how do you feel about that?"
ReplyDeleteI was speechless.
Tabitha said...
ReplyDelete"People may not like the idea of those on the other side being able to watch us, but the Bible is clear they can."
Where in the Bible does it say that?
The one about people looking down on you from heaven was a tough one for me.
ReplyDeleteI'll be honest with you...when my Grandfather died, I didn't sin for almost a solid month! Because you can't be sneaky with a dead person. I've seen Ghost Hunters, they can be anywhere!
@Brian Current:
ReplyDeleteI'm not Tabitha, but I've always taken that impression from Hebrews 11-12.
Hebrews 11 is the "faith chapter," listing Old Testament figures who lived by faith and ends by saying, "These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect."
Hebrews 12:1 begins with, "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us."
It seems that the passage says that these people who have gone before are witnessing the race that each of us is running. It's written in the present tense, indicating that they are somehow witness to our journeys in the time until God's plan is fulfilled and made perfect for all of us together.
ninja's don't die...they disappear
ReplyDeleteOk, one stupid one I've heard (both to me and to a friend of mine) after early miscarriages... "At least you lost them before you got to have the ultrasound. It would be worse to have a picture of it!" (Ok, "it" was a baby, who I started loving the MINUTE I knew I was pregnant... and 3 years later and still childless, I still miss having that baby in my arms.)
ReplyDeleteAnother dumb one... "At least he didn't have to grow old." spoken about a man about 50.
Humans are funny. We try to comfort people because we want to make them feel better and know we should say or do something, but we don't always think about what we would want said if it was us in the other position. You have to try not to take it personally and remember that in the end, they cared enough to make an attempt, even if it was lousy! :)
~She's dancing with the angels now...
ReplyDelete~He's looking after _____ now (a pass on dog or something of the sort)...
I say he "travels in elephants." For those who don't know the reference (which is most people), it's from this short story.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Shilingi-Moja: I hate that whole human-soul-to-angel thing. I mean, it was cute in "It's a Wonderful Life," but so many people take it as truth.
I love the "Jesus Called," BTW.
I'm with Jonathan Ferguson on this one - bring back "fell asleep"! I don't think the Bible says a whole lot about what happens in between now and the end, but it always made more sense to me that we fall asleep and then wake up all together at the very end.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure there's Biblical support for lots of different views on the matter. But nothing conclusive.
The one I've heard most around Christian circles is "Gone Home". First time I heard it I had no idea they were talking about death. "What do you mean your old pastor 'went home'? Is it in the city? If he's your pastor that he probably lives pretty close so you don't need act so sad."
ReplyDeleteKnowing the euphemism now I can see how way too many Christian songs today are about waiting to die. Creepy really.
When I die I hope someone will say: "At least he can become a zombie now. He'd like that."
I've got a whole list of "stupid things people said to me after my son died." During the worst time of my life, it provided a warped comic relief.
ReplyDeleteJust a sample: "I'm sorry I can't come to your son's funeral...I have a hair appointment. You understand."
@Marable - Personally, It's not that creepy waiting to die. As a Christian, this world is as close to hell as I'm ever going to be. (And for the non Christian, it's as close to heaven as they'll ever get . . . )
ReplyDeleteAnd while I realize that God has things for me to do on this earth, and even though I do cling to this world with stubborn fleshly persistence . . . I'm ready to go home. When it's my time. Because this world is sinful and sorrowful, and someday I'll get to praise God forever and ever in his perfect presence. And how awesome is that?
@Sandy - That's horrible. Really. I'm intensely sorry that you had to go through that. My dad and I drove 13 hours to attend the funeral of a friend who I'd only ever met once, because it meant so much for us to be with the family, especially the kids, who felt very alone at that time. And it was worth it. But on the other hand, people really don't know what to do with grieving people - I've been on both ends, and it's frustrating for everybody.
Leanah, I think your comment was by far my favorite.
ReplyDeleteI really have a fear of death. I love all of the murder shows on TV but then I get super paranoid and think that I'm going to be next. But when I really think of it, it doesn't matter how the heck I die because once I'm in Heaven I'm pretty sure any amount of pain will seem insignificant to how amazing it'll be.
I want everyone to play boy bands at my funeral and say "lucky her." because who doesn't love boy bands and where would you rather be?
Here's one that leaves me baffled, although it's a different twist on your post. Sometimes when something's going on - it could be a Big-0 birthday, or maybe a car accident or job loss - some Christian will say "Well, it beats the alternative!" If heaven is the alternative, do you really think anything on earth - even the best things in life - beat it? Come on, I don't care how good your life is, this does not beat the alternative.
ReplyDeleteSounds like someone needs to quit watching the HGTV, Jon....
ReplyDeleteStupid International Househunters and their 1.4 million dollar budgets for vacation homes.
I just wonder what non-Christians say at funerals...
ReplyDeleteBuddhist: "Please tread lightly as you exit the funeral grounds, it's likely this guy came back as a slimy worm."
Catholic: "Hmm, I'd like to say Jim went to a better place, but knowing his personal struggles, I think he got stuck in neutral. If anybody would like to donate some money in his honor for the building of our parish's new wing, I bet we could push Jim on through to that better place. Sister Maragaret, would you be so kind as to pass the collection plate around?"
Mormon: "Let's just hope that Jim is more competent at building new planets than he is at fixing power transformers."
Islamist: "Praise Allah, my brother is no doubt surrounded by countless virgins as we speak... and that just makes me jealous. Boys, let's go strap on some C-4 explosives and share our faith with the infidels."
"To use someone's passing as a platform to move more sales of your product is unbelievable."
ReplyDeleteKinda like the Dems using Ted Kennedy's death to push for Healthcare??
Anonymous@6:15 -- yeah, no kidding.
ReplyDeleteMoving right along -- I like everything that Alida said. I understand and respect other people's interpretations and views, but honestly, the idea that my loved ones in heaven no longer give a hoot about me leaves me cold. I know they've got plenty to do and I realize they're not just "standing by a window" all day, but there seems to be an impression among many that you stop caring about the people you love the minute you draw your last breath. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that for a second. Those in heaven are with the ultimate source of eternal love. How could the love that's in them -- not just for God, but for other people -- grow LESS instead of more?
I hope that makes sense. I feel strongly about this, but I don't know if I've expressed it very well.
Oh, and Anonymous@5:54 -- you might think again before you call Catholics "non-Christians."
ReplyDelete"Jesus needed her." I find this one particularly troublesome, because one, Jesus doesn't really need anyone's help; and two, in the situation where I heard this comment, the deceased was a two-day-old baby. It makes me curious: why did Jesus need a two-day-old baby?
ReplyDeletemy dear aunt, before she died after a long illness, told us with a smile in her voice, "it's not a sunset; it's a sunrise." still one of the most comforting analogies I know.
ReplyDeleteGreat. What I did NOT need was another hilarious distraction. This is my first visit to your blog (via Katdish. From now on I'm sending all complaints I receive about nonproductivity to her.) You made me laugh out loud several times, which means you earned 100 points and a permanent place on my reader. Congratulations.
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ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, i've been asked to lead funeral services for folks that no one knew for certain about their standing with Christ. It is indeed something worth struggling over.
Here's what i do
1) Don't make assumptions about their salvation. In many circumstances, there are opportunities to pray for salvation before dying. Also, some people are extremely private about their faith. We just don't know. Don't preach anyone in or out.
2) Focus on the needs of the family. I usually stress how Christ is there to give them hope and strength.
3) Share the Gospel. I'm not saying have a tent revival, but lovingly demonstrate God's grace given to us.
hopefully that will be helpful
I'm preaching Matthew 9:18-26 on Sunday, in which Jesus rather bluntly says "Go away; for the girl is not dead, but sleeping." I'm not sure it's wise to imitate Jesus on this one, but I thought it was certainly creative.
ReplyDeletetry applying the 'heaven got a' statement to really off the wall jobs. like:
ReplyDeleteheaven got a new pet groomer.
heaven got a new nuclear engineer.
heaven got a new elvis impersonator.
heaven got a new olympic bobsled racer...
Two of the best I've heard are from this last March when my Grandpa passed away,
ReplyDeleteFrom my Great Aunt(his sister): "you know he's up their having a great time dancing with your Grandma."
And from a half dozen or so relatives: he's having a blast at the great family reunion in the sky.
Both of those put a smile on my face when I needed them : )
I lost a baby so I've heard it all. Worst two ever: "Her soul wasn't right for you." (I actually have no idea if that person was a Christian) and "God just wanted another angel." Wow, I'm glad that God allowed me to go through this insane suffering so he could have another angel! I am a Christian myself, and I know that's not at all how God works, but it's crazy that some people think that.
ReplyDeleteso... after my father died, i heard alot... but the one, most helpful thing i heard was from my counselor. he said, "do you really think he's just GONE? your dad is more alive than he's ever been."
ReplyDeletethat has freed me to think that he may very well know what is going on with my life, but most importantly, he himself is more alive than ever. such a hopeful and btw, nothing i know about theology or biblical truth contradicts this reality.... concept.
When breaking the news of the death of someones loved one there are two options. First the subtle hint dropping e.g. ..."remember when your husband loved a good laugh" or the equally effective but more abrupt "he's dead and he's not coming back, get used to it"
ReplyDeleteMaybe not the most loving of choices but effective nonetheless ;)
Robyn, I love that.
ReplyDeleteI never thought about palm trees in heaven, but it's perfect (just not the kind that shed and make a mess).
ReplyDeleteWhen my dad died, my mom & I found comfort that he was "now sitting at the feet of Jesus" as he often expressed that desire when he would preach about Mary & Martha.
Just today I heard about the tragic death of two Virginia Tech students whose families I am acquainted with from our former church. I hope the people that surround them follow some of the good comments posted here. Since I don't live near them anymore, I'm offering my prayers for God to comfort the families as they deal with this tragedy.
People say a lot of really strange things to those of us who experience miscarriage. I have learned to try to handle those silly statements with the same amount of grace with which I'd like to be approached. As hurtful as it can be sometimes, I think many people just don't know what to say and they wind up saying the wrong thing.
ReplyDeleteA lot of people have referred to the babies that I've lost as "angels" and even "guardian angels." While I'm not offended by it, I just don't believe that's what happens. I am much more comforted by the fact that the only home they will ever know is with Jesus.
I enjoyed this post and the comments very much! I think it's good to laugh at some of these things, and definitely good to learn about what we should be doing to support others in their grief.
Oh, and I forgot to say this:
ReplyDeletePam D, I love what you wrote about how to show support --
"Mouth closed, arms open, hands full."
That is awesome. I will remember that.
Today is one year since my little sister and two of her friends, all 17, died in a car accident. I guess the memories of the things people said at the time still make me feel slightly bitter, but I hope this post at least helps people to think before they speak when death visits someone close to them. No- they are not angels. No- God didn't take them away cos he needed them. Yes- they are in a better place- but I truly know that and it's not really comforting right now. And the- "she'll always be with you" is so dodgy cos I know she's not here she's with Jesus, and even memories seem to fade so fast that it's scary. If you don't know what to say, that's a good time to say nothing.
ReplyDeleteI was at a conference where, at one seminar, the moderator asked, "What shouldn't you say to a grieving person?" One person told the story of a family who's baby had died. A person at the visitation said to the parents, "You must have done something really bad for God to punish you this way." A great gasp arose from the hundreds of people in the room that was so strong you could almost feel the air move past your face.
ReplyDeleteI have a friend whose great-aunt recently died. Her 23 year old sister died from cancer three years ago. She and her mother were sitting with her great-grandmother and her mother said something to the effect of "well at least she's with Sarah now", and her 90-something year old grandma shut her eyes, crossed her fingers and raised them in the air, as if to say, here's hoping. We really aren't sure whether she was referring to her sister or her great-aunt making it to heaven. Hilarious.
ReplyDeletewv: kingahol-what you get to drink in heaven.
ReplyDeleteMy husband died a few weeks ago.
ReplyDeleteThe best thing that someone said? Nothing at all. They said nothing, but wrapped their arms around me and gave me a hug. It meant everything. I don't know the last time I felt something so comforting.
The worst thing that someone said was "Good things have already come from his dying." I wanted to say "Thanks. Glad your life is better somehow, because my whole world is falling apart!" But I didn't say it because I knew what they meant.
I've never expect anyone to have the right words to say because those words don't exist.
In person I say "I'm so sorry; I'm praying for you," and then try very, very hard to shut up and listen, making appropriate sympathetic noises. In notes, I follow Miss Manners's advice and mention some fond memory I have of the person, or if I didn't know him, say something like "I hope you'll be able to find comfort in your many happy memories of him."
ReplyDeleteI've noticed that most of my Christian friends refer to so-and-so as "in heaven," while I tend toward plain old "he died." I simply dislike euphemisms, but I do sometimes wonder if I'm being too blunt for other people's sensibilities.
The absolutely weirdest thing I've heard at a funeral was when the widow told us (and numerous other people as they came in and out) the circumstances of her husband's heart attack. I did not need to know that they had just been enjoying their marital jollies. After many years it's still difficult for me to think of my old friend without having to fast-forward past uninvited mental images of his last moments. (And I've always wondered: Was she bragging?)
Finally, if any of my loved ones dared to memorialize me with one of those uber-tacky car decals, I'd find some way to come back and haunt him, whether it's theologically correct or not.
wv: outhoon. v.t., to hoon better than.
Kristinamarina--
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry about my car decal post-- and if it offended or touched a nerve. I will be more respectful in the future. I will be honest, I just don't understand the tradition, and whenever I've questioned it in the past, I get reamed by someone and don't really get a straight answer.
But if the tradition brings someone help in dealing with their grief, then there's importance in that. Who am I to judge that? I need to shut my mouth. (Actually, I need to have "Ellen, shut your mouth" tattooed on my arms probably.)
-Ellen
my pastor said if he dies before jesus comes back, he wants someone to stand on his casket and sing "he's not dead, he's just changing neighborhoods" and then throw a big party! haha!
ReplyDeleteThis has nothing to do with this post, and I'm sorry if this has already been discussed in the comments somewhere (I don't have time to read the comments, which makes me sad, but alas), but the question just came to my mind: What are you going to do when you get to post #666? Are you going to skip it, like when people skip the 13th floor in high-rise buildings? Or is it going to be a reprise of the post about giving satan the middle finger of grammar? Or is it going to be an epic post about the Left Behind Series? Just wondering...
ReplyDeleteI have to admit it: when my dear father died, I was both amused and heartened when my aunt Agnes said, "All the [our family name]s in heaven are having a party tonight!" Sounds good to me.
ReplyDeletewhat about "Got the party started" (to have a little bit of PINK in it^^)
ReplyDeletemy dad uses to say: "God went into his garden and took one of the most beautiful flowers"
one of my fellow pastors, when one of our workers died, was at the house and the paramedics were having a hard time getting her onto the stretcher.
ReplyDeletehe picked her up and put her on the stretcher when the medic said he had put her on the wrong way (her head was at the wrong end of the stretcher). my buddy quipped back 'I don't think she minds' ha
I never know what to say when people die - I have this psychological thing when you react in an opposite way of how you should be reacting. Like starting to laugh when someone tells you someone close to them passed away. So I usually just shut up and walk away after murmusing "Sorry".
ReplyDeleteBut when I died, I want this to be on my tombstone: "See you soon!"
After taking my dad to the emergency room for stitches, my mom made a quick trip over to his office because he was scheduled to be at an early morning meeting. Mom walked up to Dad's secretary and told her, "[Husband] had an accident. He's not going to make it." Secretary looked very concerned and moved quickly to hug Mom. Mom responded, quite calmly, "Oh, don't worry. It'll be alright." I'm sure that seemed pretty cold to the already-grieving secretary!
ReplyDeleteThey were all relieved once the confusion was cleared up :)
Maybe the problem with Christians is that they always think they need to say something. And that if it's true, they should say it. I respect that some of the living people here want certain things said of them, but if I was their family member and you said some of those true things, I would want to fwap you in the face and tell you to bleep off. Sometimes when you're facing unbelievable loss and tragedy, you don't want people spewing maxims--no matter how true--in your face. It's so unnecessary. It's cliche to say so, but it continues to be a reality--sometimes "I'm so sorry" is the best thing besides nothing that you can say. Why don't we all just focus on being there for someone who is grieving? Listening? I think sometimes we just say this stuff to make ourselves feel better b/c we think that Christianity is all about fixing stuff. So we get addicted to trying to fix stuff and never give God the proper room to fix stuff in his own way. Just my two pennies.
ReplyDeleteif anonymous really wants to know what Muslims say they don't say anything like what you said they actually say the there is no god but him and Muhammad is his messenger and also may god forgive all the sins the person in the grave has done and open the doors of paradise for him so if you don't know what some one say don't judge them the same way they don't talk about you you don't talk about them and Muslims are way closer to paradise then what you will ever be.get it got it GOOD
ReplyDeleteyou are a very racist uneducated person to talk about a religion that you have no idea about go get your facts right then talk
ReplyDeletefirstly do you have any idea whatsoever about life after death other then Wat you have heard around you maybe its time for all you out there to look around you and know rite from wrong Mariam the mother of Jesus had a veil and so do all the nuns but yet you pick on our women that cover up get your facts then talk ANONYMOUS!!!!!! SWINE FLU WONDER WHO WILL BE COVERING THEIR FACES SOON MMMMMMMMMMMMMM DON'T THINK YOUR GOOD JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK NO MUSLIMS ARE WRITING ON THIS CAUSE TRUST ME UR NOT!!! COVER UP IN THE SUN YOU MIGHT END UP WITH A MOLE OR EVEN WORSE !!CANCER!! SEE WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT SO THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU TALK