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Tuesday, June 30, 2009

#570. Getting disappointed when you don't have a life changing moment on a retreat.

Hey God, it's me, Jon. This has been one amazing retreat. Thanks for showing up in so many cool ways this weekend. Those moments were all just appetizers though, pre-gaming for the big event, the Saturday night session. You ready for this? This is kind of like the grand finale of the retreat. Time to do some crying and some laying down of things.

Remember last year? That was crazy. They actually had a wooden cross and I went down front and gave up a bunch of stuff and felt drawn to your altar like a magnet. That was an insane time of closeness and awesomeness. I don't want to be demanding with my expectations, but that is exactly what I am expecting this year.

Alright, there's the first song and there's the first "if you want to get right with God, come on down" message from the minister. You ready? It's go time, right? This is the part where you drop some profound wisdom on me. You want me to journal something first? Want to have me flip to an unexpected Bible verse and lay some truth on me that way? I'll leave it up to you. I'll be right here in my chair, like a tightly pulled slingshot ready to burst toward the altar.

OK God, we're on the second song now, last year we were down front the whole time. Trying something a little different this year, huh? Mixing it up? I feel ya, I feel ya. We'll just chill in this seat for a while longer, but keep in mind, this is a retreat, this is kind of where you're scheduled to show up the loudest. Well here and sunrises.

Wow, third song God and still nothing? I'm beginning to get a little worried. A lot of my friends have already gone down front or at the bare minimum are crying in their seats. I don't want to be the one guy that stays in the aisle as if he's not connecting with you on some sort of deep level. I mean it was OK when I went to Catholic high school and our entire gymnasium bleachers would empty for kids to go take communion, leaving only me and a smattering of Hindu kids sitting alone in the empty acres of seats. I was Baptist and took communion with my church not my school. But this, this is getting kind of embarrassing.

Fourth song, fourth song and nothing God? Really? I keep going to that place inside me where I find you most and it's just calm and peaceful. It's still and quiet, but I was kind of hoping for something turbulent right now God, some sort of fireworks and life change that exploded out of me. But if that's not happening, I'm willing to negotiate. How about one or two small sentences of just fresh wisdom? Kind of like a fortune cookie of faith. Can I get one of those?

Remember that time three years ago when I was all frustrated because I wanted to be Donald Miller and no one knew I existed and I asked you what you wanted me to be that year and what you wanted me to do? And I felt like you said, "Be Jon Acuff. Not a smarter, better version of Jon Acuff, but just be Jon Acuff." That seemed really simple at the time, but looking back on it, that was awesome. Because I didn't know what that meant and you've continued to show me that, you've continued to reveal to me what it means to know you and be known by you. You've continued to show me what it really means to be "Jon Acuff."

So can I get even a smidge of you? Break me off just a little piece of wisdom? What am I supposed to tell my friends when we got back to our cabin tonight and they all talk about the ways you rocked their worlds? I don't want to make something up. Lying about something God told you is like a double sin or something. You sure you don't want to follow my schedule, my expectations, my menu of what an amazing God moment looks like? This retreat has been on the calendar for months. I feel like you've had ample time to prepare.

Nothing?

Really?

No life change tonight? OK, well you've got the Fall Retreat in a few months. Maybe you can hit me with the triple mojo then.

49 comments:

  1. wow...just came from an amazing worship camp and i can totally relate to this post.

    last year at the same camp God and I had some EPIC conversations, then this year He decides that we need to just chill in quietness and enjoy each other's company and for a while I was like "whoa...this isn't what I signed up for..." but once i let go and let it happen, i loved every minute of it.

    wrote about it here: http://tsholo.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/he-doesnt-speak/

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  2. Oh man, I so hear you. I've often felt guilty like I didn't do something right or did do something wrong for God not to speak at some monumentous event. Or I would start to wonder "Hey, was it really God last time or was that me conjuring up a moment out of my emotions? Does God even talk to me at all????"

    However, I've since learned that there is as much to learn in the quietness as in the noise.

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  3. I went on the retreat that "everyone" in my church goes on for a life changing experience...and...it was nice. A few things were really cool, but beyond that, nada. I feel so bad when people ask if I've been on it and expect to hear an awesome story and I have nothing. (Of course the woman who told me I couldn't have stress in my life because I was single and not married like her is a different rant for a different post)

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  4. So funny...I was also that fallen Catholic at my High School.

    Pretty sad when we miss the everyday happenings of God in our life...thinking that we need to get to some huge gathering to experience Him.

    Once again, love your insight- it's refreshing!!
    Sue

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  5. You have such a knack for helping me remember all the goofy things I've done in the past. Ha, thanks.

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  6. Been there so many times. I think, in the long run, not having those moments is what has haunted me for years after the fact. Wondering whether or not I was supposed to. What I missed.

    Yeah, I can relate to this.

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  7. I would say there's actually MORE to learn in the quietness than in the noise. God came to Elijah not in the wind, not in the earthquake, not in the fire but in the gentle whisper.

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  8. I've had these moments before, sitting there... waiting for God to move big. It wasn't until later that I realized that I missed an awesome opportunity to be with Him; to worship Him. I was sitting there waiting for Him to move, all the while He was waiting for me.

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  9. i know this is not serious Wednesday.....

    but what if you "feel" that every Sunday is like this......

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  10. This was the perfect time to post this one.

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  11. Good reminder that we tend to come to worship with all these expectations of what we're going to get out of it, and forget that worship is about (shock alert) God. He can grant marvelous insights whenever, but it's no requirement. He's not the cosmic vending machine of wisdom and warm feelings.

    I've generally found that I love God better when I am thinking about him and what he has revealed of himself in the Bible more than I am thinking about how I feel about him or whether my life is turning out according to my expectations. That isn't a formula for 100% happy spiritual moments, just something I've noticed.

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  12. Smattering of Hindu KidsJune 30, 2009 at 6:17 AM

    Thanks for the shout out. We were waiting in the wings, just sure you would throw us some love at some point.

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  13. Man, I thought wednesdays were the days to approach SCL with caution. Way to spring that on us, Jon.
    But seriously, get out of my head! I woke up to start my new commitment to quiet time, and I was thinking "alright God, its the first day we've hung out in a while, you should have some back issues for me." And then I check my internets, and here you are. Thanks.

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  14. This happens to me in my quiet times...i always expect god to make some huge revelation...and i think sometimes he just wants me to be still and know, not feel, that he's there.

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  15. And not just retreats. Big meetings of men at stadiums, revivals, men's conferences, women's conferences, special speakers at church, special meetings at church, church consultants at church.

    Sometimes I feel I'm being marketed to death, and I feel guilty for not having a mountaintop or life-changing experience.

    Be still, my soul.

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  16. It's hard for the retreat leader too. What constitutes a move of God? Cindy and Teresa are weeping, but they always weep. Six responded by coming forward, but is it emotion? Peer pressure? or truly the Lord. Many questions....

    wv: stimmist. We must prayerfully resist Satan lest he return to stimmist the move of God.

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  17. Been there, done that.

    A good way to cover having one of these experiences is to pray with/talk to/be there for some of the people around you who are having the life changing moments, especially if you're on the retreat with friends.

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  18. You sure do know how to relate to stuff that goes on with everyone of us at some point. now that is a gift.

    thanks for the transparency and showing me that it is OK for me to not come out on fire every.single.service.

    Sometimes I have my most powerful moments all by myself just working in my garden or walking up and down the aisles at the grocery store when I am least looking for it.

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  19. I had an extremely pithy remark to this post, but a femtosecond later, it had escaped into the wild, scared of its new-found loneliness. Or maybe it was the fame and fortune. One will never know. Nor will I.

    "Be Jon Acuff", though, stirred something within. Oh, wait, resonated. I just recently (last night?) came to the point that me being <me> is quite an okay thing, that I have value and worth and something to contribute. Being 45, I suppose I've been a little slow on the uptake.

    WV (first time- hope I'm doing this right): biona: luncheon meat with a kick, as in, "My daughter bought me some biona for my sandwiches. Boy, I'll need a bucket of water for those!"

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  20. I had the same kind of experience yesterday. Should have been spiritual...wished for it to be so...but while it was good it wasn't the life altering experience I hoped it would be. Guess I'll have to reach with my faith a little more.

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  21. asking for the triple mojo is like triple stamping a double stamp. it's rarely ever accomplished and when it is, it's often regretted. it's like praying for patience...or praying to be broken...

    great post...very timely!

    WV: Cortsest
    -The Christian version of a swingers party, but without all that sleeping around and nastiness. Where courting couples come together to play yard cames. It's the compound word for Courting and Festival...Cortsest.

    "Hey man, are you and Jenny going to the cortsest tomorrow night? I heard there's going to be horseshoes and bean bag tosses there. Sounds fun!"

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  22. Getting ready to take 30 students to youth camp and I've been wondering about some similar things. Anticipation is good, but it's almost like we're saving up, waiting for camp to hear from God...what are we missing right now, in the quiet? What if we went to camp already filled up - satisfied, content in Him. Weird.

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  23. I think the weirdest camp I ever went to in high school didn't have any altar calls. This was a Baptist camp, which you know how we are about altar calls.

    They even said out loud they didn't want a bunch of weepy teenagers having an emotional experience. They thought too much emotion meant it wouldn't lead to true change or faith. They wanted kids to react to the logic of faith?

    Glad I'm not the only one who's had a quiet God time when everyone else seems to be having out loud life change. I've found more life change happens to me on random Tuesday afternoons with no church in sight than in a service.

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  24. I've found that my camp experiences are much more enjoyable without radical emotional experiences.

    When I have those "life-changing" emotional experiences, it means that something hadn't been right between God and me. When nothing really emotional happens, I get to "chill" with my best friend and watch Him change people around me. I am blessed by seeing the transformation of others.

    And sometimes, if I'm lucky (blessed?) God shows me a little something about himself.

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  25. I just came across your blog because it was linked from my friend's blog. I read your most recent post, and am now adding you to my blogroll - because that was just too funny... and eerily spot on... :)

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  26. Oh, man. Went to camp knowing it wasn't going to be the same. Last I year I had gone with two of my best friends. AT that camp we had made friends with everyone on our cabin.

    This year? all the friends I had gotten at camp weren't there! Plus all of my friends had decided not to go also.

    It didn't take long for people to realize I was the guy on the corner, yes, the soon-to-be-senior.
    And i was stuck with no friends, everyone in my cabin was either going to be a freshmen, or I had already known and didn't hadn't really wanted to hang out with them in the first place.

    Eventually I did make a friend, and that ment so much to me(you know who you are)

    But, Last year something amazing happened, everybody like 46/50 of the students at the camp walked up and either gave their Testimonie or tld everyone that they had excepted Christ. I knew what one eas going to be hard to beat.

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  27. "Sometimes I feel I'm being marketed to death, and I feel guilty for not having a mountaintop or life-changing experience."

    Too true. I went to a Promise Keeper's event 2002-ish, and all of the advertising they had for other events was shamelessly selling the "life-changing experience."

    Good thing we got rid of indulgences in the Reformation.

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  28. The kind of retreats I go to (silent meditation retreats) when I have the time and money (not very often) don't focus on life-changing moments, praise God. This brand of spirituality de-emphasizes expectations of something "special" happening for the sake of being in the present, ordinary, moment, and I like that much better--no manipulation.

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  29. "Lying about something God told you is like a double sin or something."

    Bwah... hahah... awesome.

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  30. Yep... first time, i'm all sharing and crying and everything, second camp, everyone else is, i'm just there... so i decided to pray for all the people God is moving in, that's what I found is nice to do.

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  31. I spent years going to church camp for a week every summer, hoping for that life-changing experience, almost trying to *will* that life-changing experience into existence.

    But really what I was doing was drawing a lot of attention to myself, or hoping I'd get a lot of attention poured on me. You know, the "me" having that life-changing experience, the one everyone would have to pay attention to.

    I enjoy camp so much more now.

    (And really, what if there are only so many life-changing experiences a camp or retreat can hold before it implodes? What if me demanding a life-changing experience deprives someone who really needs it of theirs?)

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  32. biona...would that be pronounced by-own-uh or by-own-ee?
    Just checkin.

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  33. I just got back from taking my youth group to camp last week. As a youth pastor I don't have the spiritual cry fest the same way anymore. A friend from high school is in a worship band that played a rockin' show Thursday night at camp. Then after coming home, I checked them out at a local church show for 20-something hipsters Saturday night. Completely the same songs, but more mellow. During "Oh How He Loves Us" the singer was overwhelmed and humbled by the beauty of all of us worshipping God. POWERFUL! No weepy tears just a profound joy. Check out The Glorious Unseen! :)

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  34. what you've shared reminds me of a couple of selections from oswald chambers' "my utmost for his highest". you should read october 1, 2, and 4....i think you'd relate to it

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  35. If all the camps and conferences that are advertised as lifechanging really always were, we'd be in no need of any more because we'd be so perfect by now.

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  36. Great post.
    You get to a point where you realize that getting "high" at a Christian camp/retreat--spiritual masturbation---is not what it's all about; there's a point where you know it all already and you need to put it into practice, and looking for ecstasy at a retreat is just idolatrous-gluttony...

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  37. Wow. This describes the end of my high school retreat life. And I thought there was something wrong with me...

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  38. I think part of it happens when the worship leader/pastor/whoever is speaking says "I KNOW God will show you something BIG at this retreat, if you just let Him." Thanks for telling me I don't have a teachable spirit and am unknowingly resisting God...

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  39. Jon - I think you stole my journal from college discipleship retreats and changed the names to protect the dumbfounded. That, or you talked to my camp counselors. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who occasionally felt like a campfire Jesus reject ...

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  40. "I laughed, I cried, it moved me Bob."

    Isn't it great that our relationship with Christ is not dependant on our emotions or experiences, but on His unchanging character.

    Love the blog. Keep up the great work!

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  41. What about having a life changing moment on a retreat, but totally ignoring it for years?

    That's what happened to me. When I was 15, God called me into ministry at a winter retreat. I said no. But God never stopped pursuing me. Thankfully, by the time I got to college, I came to my senses and changed my major. Now I'm on my way to becoming a music pastor. :)

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  42. biona - I saw it as bee-own-uh

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  43. Anon @ 4PM: You know someone in The Glorious Unseen?! I love their album. It's so genuine in their worship.

    My comment: It's somewhat of a GOOD thing that our generation longs for dramatic God experiences, that they desire God to transform their lives, but why do we consider God so small to only be able to do this at retreats? I got to thinking and the reason God moves mightily at retreats is that we are more focused on Him than we are in our daily lives. If we focused more on Him daily, then we'd see our lives change a little bit each day as we become more like Him. Christianity isn't a series of events. It's a process. And it's about a relationship. (Credit to Dave Edwards for the last few sentences.)

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  44. Yep. I've felt that way at a Charismatic Conference or two...(I know I've mentioned I'm Catholic. Did I ever mention being a Charismatic Catholic. Oooops. SURPRISE!) It feels like a let down. However, I think the problem was my focus...inward instead of upward. Oh well...

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  45. ...ouch! Conviction time with Uncle Jon!

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  46. I'm a middle-aged woman who first came to the cross of Christ at the age of 30. In the years since, I have been "disappointed" not only at retreats, but in our weekly worship services. I've been slow to learn that I was habitually making an "idol" of life-changing moments rather than consistently seeking a life-changing relationship with the living God. I'm so glad He never stops pursuing me and that He WILL finish what He began in me!

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