In a few weeks I'm speaking at a residential rehab clinic. I’ve spoken there before and love the people that run this facility and the people that live there.
I know what I’m going to say. I’ve got a 30 minute concept called "4 words," but despite any level of preparation I’ve done, I have a serious question for you:
"Do I have to say that I was prepared to speak on one thing but God gave me something completely different at the last second?"
Is that a "Christian law" or just a "Christian like?" Is that something we have to do, kind of like the double greeting where you awkwardly greet the crowd, express your disappointment in the quality of their response and then chastise them into greeting you again by saying, "I said 'good morning?'" Or is that just something we like to do?
I'm starting to speak more and these are the kind of things I should probably figure out. I can just see me sitting on a plane someday, where 73% of all "God changed my sermon at the last minute" events occur, flying out to an event with an extreme degree of nervousness. I'll have a recorder out, my notebook ready and will be talking to everyone I make eye contact with. "Hey aisle-mate, got anything interesting to say that might completely shipwreck what I think I'm speaking on when I land and send me in a different direction?"
Or, "Excuse me stewardess, I can't be sitting on an empty aisle, I think I'm supposed to get a new message while on this flight. Could you please put my seat beside someone that looks insightful, perhaps with a beard or an exotic hat? Thanks."
You laugh, but God loves the game time decision on the sermon. He loves the "in the shower" moment where something unexpected jumps out at you while you're washing your hair and singing Rob Thomas' new song "Diamonds on her shoes" and wondering if at this point, recording studios have a "Gospel Choir" button they can press when they want to make a song sound more emotionally engaging.
I think the "sermon switch up" happens primarily because God loves to remind us that He's a creative God. I think this happens because the best creative moments are where you, the speaker, the writer, the musician, the whatever are actually the first spectator for the experience. Where you get an idea that is bigger and weirder than you can possibly take credit for and can only really sit back and say, "Really God? That's the one? I get to share that? You're crazy."
And it keeps you from getting cocky. When I was preparing for the Off the Blogs event, God reminded me of something that happened to me while I was at Chuck-e-Cheese in the second grade. This one idea became the hinge of everything I said and because it was so off the wall, it was impossible for me to take credit for it.
I can be an ego drunk jerk sometimes but even I couldn't pretend that when I was 9 years old I said to myself while at Chuck-e-Cheese, "I should remember this moment because in 24 years I'm going to want to share this with people at a Catalyst event."
I didn't do that. I got to experience that idea just like everyone else in the crowd. I didn't create that moment. But fortunately I didn't get it as I drove to the event. I worked on that idea a few weeks before and delivered it half a dozen times to my daughters' stuffed animals in their play room. (Clifford the big red dog got saved multiple times. He struggles with body size issues.)
Other people that say, "I was going to preach about _____, but God gave me a different idea" probably have other thoughts about why they do it, but that's mine.
Am I the only one that's heard a pastor say that?
Or is that something a pastor has said to you too?
I wonder if it's a dramatic way to show that we're connected to the Holy Spirit.
ReplyDeleteI also know that when I'm most prepared to speak publicly, it's when I'm almost (but not quite) sick of what I'm going to say. I think that at the last minute, a new topic can look appealing just because we're so used to the old one.
I don't deny that God sometimes wants us to change course at the last minute. But I also believe that the Holy Spirit is with us in the preperation stages, when what we say is Godly. It's much less interesting, though, to share with the audience "This is what I've been planning to say for the last six months, and I feel that God has been with me for every step of it."
I kind of hate it when God does that to me. I've spent the whole week preparing something, and on the way to present it you hear, "That's nice Sharkbait, but here's the real message you need to deliver."
ReplyDelete"Uh, Lord... It's like an hour to go. Can't we just go with mine? I'm sure yours is also nice and all, but..."
But what? What but can you really use when arguing with Him?
I hear it all the time. Sometimes it can be good, but other times it just reveals they didn't really prepare for what they wanted to say.
ReplyDeleteYou should have your wife count how many times you say, "Um" or "You know," while you're speaking. My wife counted at Youth Sunday for me and I had 33 "ums" and 12 "you knows."
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ReplyDeleteToo often, when I have heard this, I get the distinct impression that the planned sermon just never came together - and the quality of the substitute was somehow to be justified by its extemporaneous nature. A singular experience assured me that this is not always the case.
ReplyDeleteOur pastor is one of the best Presbyterian preachers in the country. In a couple of weeks, he will be going to his annual solo retreat, where he spends nearly every waking hour for a week planning our worship for the next year.
The result is anything but inflexible and over-constrained. He sees the sermon as a sacred conversation between God and His People, in which the preacher participates. That conversation often doesn't start to jell before the Friday preceding the sermon. (On this topic, I recommend his latest book, "The Pastor as Minor Poet, Texts and Subtexts in the Ministerial Life" M. Craig Barnes.)
I am thinking now, however, of a lenten Wednesday evening series that we shared with another Presbyterian church. Craig was not yet our pastor and had been invited to share guest preaching duties. The texts and topics had been set.
As we finished our meal, and he stood to speak, we got the news that the first attacks of the war in Iraq were about to begin. After praying, he said that he thought preaching on a lectionary passage of the day was more appropriate. And he delivered a compelling sermon on being Christian in the midst of war. That night I came to know a deeper level of inspired proclamation.
My heart sinks a little bit when I hear someone say this (or its counterpart: "I haven't prepared for this at all") because both can be a way of saying "look how amazingly free, responsive and in-tune with the Holy Spirit I am; notice how I don't strive and sweat or get anxious about public speaking" etc!
ReplyDeleteOf course, often there's no pride involved at all and it's a genuine response to God's prompting; but just sometimes, as Jeff pointed out, it can give the message that it's less spiritual and Godly to actually prepare for a sermon
Funny! One thing I like a lot about my pastor is that he takes a couple weeks off at the end of the summer to plan the next year's sermons. I know that he has carefully studied and prepared for each one.
ReplyDeleteAs a Bible college survivor/skeptic and an audience member who often hears this phrase from a pastor or speaker, when I hear, "God changed it at the last minute", I immediately dismiss the rest of the message. Why?!? because fundamentally I don't believe you. And I suspect it is both "Christian law" and "Christian like".
ReplyDeleteChristian law because I know somewhere in all those preaching classes there is that one lecture, "How to get your audience to REALLY pay attention" which teaches: 1. keep it short and sweet - after twenty minutes folks just don't listen; 2. always use alliteration - three point alliteration is EVEN better; 3. and when you want people to not only pay attention but obey, then say God gave you this special message (and at the last minute is more powerful). I think that lecture typically falls on the syllabus right after the topic, "The worship eagle - taking your teaching to the next level."
Christian like because we do so like to throw the "God card". If God told you to share, then IT must be important perhaps inspired. And isn't it just like Christians to throw discernment out the window and not question the veracity of the teaching or the experience because GOD did this. "I don't believe there is evidence of speaking in tongues in today's church, but take heart, be glad, God does speak in the shower."
How about a little honesty..."Good morning, before I begin I WANT to tell you what happened this morning in the shower. I remembered an incident that happened in second grade at Chuck-e-Cheese. {tell said event} Now I am not sure all the reasons this memory was triggered, perhaps its because I had way too much 'cheese' between my toes I was scrubbing, or maybe God is shedding new light what He's done in my life. Don't know, but I WANTED to share. Now... on to the topic I've been studying, preparing and praying over this past month..."
I don't speak.....but i do listen.....and when a preacher/speaker says that and then they procede to speak a message straight from God to me......i am in awe that:
ReplyDelete1. they are willing to put aside their plans for His, and
2. that God REALLY DOES love me....
I always thought it was a phsycological ploy that pastors were taught in order to make an immediate connection with a guest and/or the people to which this "new" sermon will best apply. I imagine there never was an old sermon, this is the same one he's been working on all week, but by saying he changed it up last minute he makes a certain sector of the audiance think, "whoa, coming to church today was a totally last minute decision... I wonder if God wants to speak to me today. I had better pay attention." Or the regular member who has been struggling immediately feels guilty - because God placed this burden on the pastor because they struggled this past week... and they had better pay attention.
ReplyDeleteIt gives the pastor/sermon an extra air of holiness. Puts them in touch with both God and the audiance.
I'm sure this happens. I'm sure plans are changed, events and circumstances give new perspective and provide new inspiration for a message. It's happened for me. I find when you get new inspiration and you run with it the pieces fall into place. Preparing your message takes less time, feels like less of a chore and you are reminded why you started in the first place...
But I also think the "God changed it" senerio can be/is a ploy and I am often skeptical...
You mentioned the "chastise the audience" type of person. We used to have a worship leader who every Sunday, no matter which song we opened with (Amazing Grace, It Is Well, Happy Birthday)would end the song and restate the song title in a question ("Aren't you glad for God's Amazing Grace? AMEN ?" Aren't you glad it's Larry's bithday? AMEN?) And then no matter how loud the audience yelled at the top of their lungs AMEN! he would have t say, "Aah, come on, I think you can do better than that" then repeat the question. I stopped saying amen after about 4 weeks.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad we have a new worship leader.
On a somewhat related note. One of my favorite pastors began his sermon saying that he didn't have his watch. He went on to say that people could just leave whent the annointing left because often the pastor is the last to know.
ReplyDeleteStill makes me laugh.
I think that many times, it's a fake out.
ReplyDeleteThe "first" sermon is just a hoax. The sermon that is actually given was the one planned on the whole time. It's just a matter of making up a name for a fake sermon and then doing the dramatic note-card-rip-up.
It's a power play that invokes awe in the congregation.
My pastor back home has done this, and it was awesome. It wasn't as awesome when he got up to preach only to tell us that God had laid it on his heart not to preach, but to dismiss us. That was the best God switch up ever.
ReplyDeleteMy last boss was known for having God "lay things on his heart" at the last minute. Unfortunately, God was messing with him, because He only laid the initial idea on him and let him sink the rest of the message. The funny thing was that God laid modesty on his heart at the last minute 4 weeks in a row when he was having a squabble with a certain group of people, who he happened to feel allowed their teenage daughters to dress to scantily. They left the church - all 5 families.
Jon, why is it that the pastor can't just preach the new message without broadcasting that it's not the one he originally prepared? I feel like making sure to tell everybody is just a form of self-protection or a ploy to get everyone to listen better.
ReplyDeleteFor me, I always question the speaker's motives rather than God's counter intuitive ways.
When I was in high school and college, we didn't have that guy, but we did have a retired preacher who would preach Sunday nights sometime and promise to "tell us things other pastors won't talk about."
ReplyDeleteI never have figured out what those things were.
I think that often it's simply an expression of nervous tension. "Uh oh, I don't really have any notes for this... Say something... Umm..." Unfortunately, it's also a way to qualify your sermon and lowering the expectations. That way, if it really bombs, then at least you can fall back on the fact that you were just doing what God wanted you to, right? And besides, you had something else prepared, so it's not like you didn't do your homework.
ReplyDelete************I don't speak.....but i do listen.....and when a preacher/speaker says that and then they procede to speak a message straight from God to me......i am in awe that:
ReplyDelete1. they are willing to put aside their plans for His, and
2. that God REALLY DOES love me...*********
This is how I feel, except I speak as well as listen.
And to all of you who think it's just a big ploy by your pastors, I'd be concerned about the level of trust you have in them. Maybe it's time to move on to a place where you are comfortable with your leadership?
I certainly understand that God can give us new insights as we mull over the Scripture passage before stepping up to the pulpit. Bringing an entirely new message, though - I would have to wonder if it was an old one from the recycle bin given out of fear that the planned message wasn't quite ready for prime time.
ReplyDeleteI heard a variation on this once that left me extremely disappointed and disillusioned. The preacher stepped up and with great humility announced that he had been led of the Lord to bring a different text that morning. So he opened his Bible, read the passage for the new text, and then proceeded to give EXACTLY THE SAME SERMON he had planned originally (complete with pre-printed sermon notes)! Musta not had the same hermeneutics prof I did.
After having pastored for 5+ years, I am not sure why there is a need to say this but I have heard it.
ReplyDeleteGod supplies the message no matter when it came (or should have). So what would the point be in having said it?
What if, at the end, people are like "we did not like that one" can you give us the other one instead?
Has God ever changed my message on Sunday morning. Yes. Did I say so...no. In fact, I believe God changed the way people heard the message and the emphasis I thought was being placed ended up meaning something else.
The concept of an empty vessel should not be lost on one who speaks for God. If God did not give it to you, you best not be saying it as such.
I am reminded of a joke....
ReplyDeleteA minister delivered a sermon in ten minutes one Sunday morning, which was about half the usual length of his sermons. He explained, "I regret to inform you that my dog, who is very fond of eating paper, ate that portion of my sermon which I was unable to deliver this morning". After the service, a visitor from another church shook hands with the preacher and said, "Pastor, if that dog of yours has any pups, I want to get one to give to my minister".
There are two reasons why I think somebody will actually say that: 1) it's a cop-out if the sermon is really bad because the preacher is unprepared, or 2) they want to brag about how "in tune" they are with the Spirit.
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying that God doesn't change up the message on us from time to time, but there's no real reason why we have to tell everybody else.
Sends a shiver up my spine - cause I know that you aren't prepared and that you are going to ramble and talk in circles and repeat yourself and most likely never make the point about what God laid on your heart and the Baptists are going to beat us to the all the good restaurants AGAIN!!!
ReplyDeleteI suppose I don't have a problem with the "God told me to change it" thing, though I think we have to be really careful when we attribute to God something that WE just decided we wanted to say. (I've heard a lot of people say, "God gave me" this song, or message, or whatever, and afterward I'm thinking, "Really? Because I don't think God wanted to be anywhere near that!") Most of the time when I've heard preachers use that, they've gone on to talk about something controversial or edgy in some way, and I felt as though they were sort of throwing God under the bus - blaming him for what they were about to say, and not taking any responsibility for any consequences of saying it.
ReplyDeleteI guess I have a bigger issue with those who say, "I'm not going to prepare anything to say because I'm going to 'let the Spirit lead' when I start speaking." (I've heard that more often than God "changing" the topic at the last minute.)
My dad has been a pastor for nearly 40 years, and while he does acknowledge that the Holy Spirit CAN lead him a completely different direction in the middle of a sermon, he has often reminded people that "God can lead on Tuesday afternoon, too" (when he's working on a sermon). I don't respect preachers who don't prepare and then just expect God to "show up."
I had this comment all prepared, and at the last minute, God gave me this new one instead (tic).
ReplyDeleteI don't mind when a preacher does this, but for sure, sometimes it's very obviously lack of preparation. 'Cause I'm usually thinking something like, if God told you to preach this instead of what else you had planned, what you had planned must have really been craptacular. This isn't even close to God's A game. He didn't have to work hard to top your mess.
Hmmm...I'm a little disturbed by the level of cynicism in this comment thread.
ReplyDeleteTo those of you who automatically assume the worst when you hear that statement, I would encourage you to spend some time with the Lord asking Him (capitalized) to help you dig up the root of these thoughts. They are coming from somewhere.
I'm with Chris in being concerned with the level of trust you have in your pastor.
That being said, I'm not naive. Pastors are people too, with the same (if not worse) temptations that we face. So I'm sure there are some pastors who have used this phrase as a ploy or even an outright lie.
But to just assume, when you hear this statement, that it is a ploy or lie makes me sad for you.
I know the times I've done the last second sermon switch it came down to a combination of hearing the Holy Spirit and "reading the crowd". It's important to be sensitive to what the audience needs to hear. You can tell they're depressed - they need encouragement, etc. The worst thing is when you don't change the message and you know you should. I know I kick myself around the block if I don't share what was laid on it heart. God gives you that message for a reason - share it! If you don't do what God wants you to, you fail. Pretty much, just go with the Spirit. God's word never returns void.
ReplyDeleteI think it is great and terrible. I have heard some pastors that use this about 53.46% of the time they preach. It usually goes like this "sorry if I seem under prepared today folks, but this morning as I was praying about the sermon God completely changed it on me." This makes me think two things, either they forget to pray about the sermon earlier when they are preparing it with great detail or they actually didn't prepare anything and this is a last minute "please help me preach something" sermon.
ReplyDeleteI believe that God will let us go forward with this but give us last minute changes on occasion but if this is the majority of what I'm hearing I have a feeling that something deceitful is happening.
Nathanael- You took the words right out of my mouth.
ReplyDeleteLots of cynicism here. Yikes. I'm sure there are pastors out there who say this for selfish motives, but I have never automatically assumed that. Because I'm not the Holy Spirit and don't know their heart. That being said, I think it's a strange combination of hearing from God and seeking Him in the first place and preparing for what you believe God has told you to preach. But always leaving room for God to shake things up a bit. I think it's between the pastor/speaker and God. For me to guess about their motives would be wrong and just plain critical.
One time, my last minute (obviously God-inspired!) creativity outran my common sense and I ended up talking about music to my youth group Sunday school class with chocolate covered dog turds I made a few hours before. (2am) So just be cautious with the last minute switcheroo!
ReplyDeleteI agree it's a ploy and a cop out. When I was a pastor, "God" never changed my message at the last moment, at least not wholesale. I always trusted God to work with me and give me the message in the days prior to the sermon. And I never, ever claimed that it was God's message, that God told me to say something. That's like Flip Wilson's old "Geraldine" routine and "her" line, "The devil made me [do whatever]." It's a way of diverting responsibility.
ReplyDeleteI hate how we just assume so many times that this isn't really divine inspiration from God, and that someone is just saying that to make themselves sound spiritual. Maybe some people do that, but the Lord speaks to his people...period. He can lay something on the heart of the speaker because his Spirit lives in us. It's just that simple. I hope that we never become so cynical that we assume every "word from God" is just a way to fake spirituality or manipulate others.
ReplyDeleteWow. Call me naive, but I never thought some of the things that these comments are reading when I've heard a Pastor say that. I believe that God really did show them something different that needed to be put forth. Something that will address some immediate needs in the audience. Something that will even awe the Pastor as he's speaking it. There are some very critical comments here. Why not just open your hearts to whatever God is saying through His speaker?
ReplyDeleteI feel really sorry for you folks who don't have a good relationship with your pastor, because there are so many wonderful men of God out there.
ReplyDeleteI never have to be concerned when my pastor changes his message, because it always turns out to be a blessing and exactly what I needed.
Of course, I go to church expecting it, so maybe the Lord just honors that expectation.
i will never forget the time that our interim pastor did this. he made a big deal of telling the guys who run the computer screen that we wouldn't be using the slides for the sermon, and to tell all of us to disregard the sermon notes we had been handed. the problem i had with it? i was in the THIRD service that day. and he had done the same production with each service! (yes--i checked w/someone in another service) i'm sure that he was sincere and it was great for the 8:00 service, but if you've been doing it all morning, just acknowledge that! don't treat it like a performance that you have to repeat for each group. i cannot remember what that "inspired" sermon was, but i will never forget the feeling that i was watching a show.
ReplyDeleteNathanael and co - I agree that cynical comments (including mine, earlier) reflect a lack of trust in the pastor and no doubt stem from painful experiences. I know EXACTLY where my cynicism comes from and I'm still working through it - believe me, I don't want to stay cynical.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, I am in a new church now and your comment made me reflect that if my current (wonderful) pastor did this "last minute sermon change" thing, I wouldn't doubt his motives for a moment and would just be excited to hear what he had to say.
Generally, not just today, I think SCL comments reflect how there are a lot of hurting/disillusioned/disappointed Christians out here; the challenge for us is how to forgive, learn, keep a soft heart and grow in faith despite the pain.
About our trust of pastors in general, it is difficult sometimes, when you have a lot of respect for the man, and you want to believe that he is listening to the Lord, and then you disagree with the message or are unimpressed with the delivery. I am very hesitant to decide that he got it wrong, because I believe he is there for a reason. I'm not saying this about a particular pastor I have now, but about every pastor I've had in my adult life.
ReplyDeleteI don't subscribe to the "maybe this message is just for one person in the crowd" school, because I think that's a waste of God's time--I think He will use CROWD time to speak to the CROWD--but I know that everyone will receive the message differently. Once I heard a message that I was totally bored with, and in the shake-the-preacher's-hand line after the service I heard the man in front of me say, "Preacher, I wish I'd heard that message twenty years ago." I could hardly believe we had been in the same room, but it taught me that the way I hear the message isn't the only way it's heard.
Then again, as has been pointed out, pastors are human, and maybe preachers as a group have earned the cynicism displayed in these comments. Pray for us. And if you are listening to a pastor that has demonstrated, not just human fallibility, but a pattern of deceit, then pray about whether God would lead you elsewhere.
Sally,
ReplyDeleteAmen, I'm glad to hear that our Healer is working with you on this issue and you have a pastor now who you can trust.
I hope my comment did not come across as condescending.
(On a lighter note)
wv: polyer
def. combination of "probably" and "her"
sent. I can't say for sure that Sally typed that comment, but it was polyer.
Wow, my pastor actually did this on Sunday! It was the first time I've ever heard him do it though. He had one Sunday in between series, and he had been planning to preach one quick sermon. He had notes in the bulletin and everything. But his message was about the power of the Word of God instead.
ReplyDeleteWhen this happen to me i most often believe that it is not for my benefit as the pastor but for the benefit of the people that will be hearing the word, so i also work that in a bit, and let them know that God had them in mind when He changed things up on me. Then it also helps other to hear and they often confirm that God was speaking to them that day, so it help me confirm that God is using these times.
ReplyDeleteI listened a Francis Chan sermon via the internet in recent months where he totally said that, and it was a powerful message! But the thing I liked most was that it was entitled "Even Francis Has a Bad Day," which doesn't that sound like it should be the title of a children's book?
ReplyDeleteTo everyone who assumes that we are being cynical for no reason other than that we all must have poor relationships with our pastors...um, maybe you don't know OUR hearts, either.
ReplyDelete(And I think Jon meant this topic in a light-hearted way...when you hear a preacher say this 60% of the time, it does get kind of comical.)
I don't think most of us meant that we think our pastors are intentionally deceiving us...I think sometimes THEY believe it's from God, too. I'm just saying that I'm not sure it always is...and I KNOW...I don't know their hearts (like I said, I don't think it's intentional), and I am supposed to discern something from their fruit. I've seen a lot of people do wrong things - have an affair, steal money, etc. - and try to justify it by saying that they just really FEEL like it's what GOD wanted them to do. Just not sure we should be so quick to "blame" God every time a new thought pops into our heads.
Sorry to burst your bubbles about pastors, but they are human. And they struggle just like the rest of us with pride and wanting to impress people when they're up front speaking. I'm with one of the other commenters who said that even if it IS a new message from God, there's really no need to mention it, other than to either excuse what is about to be an ill-prepared message or to justify saying something that may be questionable.
The best preacher I know preaches straight through a book of the Bible at a time (not every chapter and verse, but pretty much straight through the book), and they plan out the books for the year in advance, so you know for months ahead of time pretty much what the text is going to be. It's amazing how many times the passage for the day "just happens" to hit something specific going on in my life personally or in the life of the church as a whole. God knows what's going on in our lives ahead of time...he doesn't NEED to switch it up at the last minute. (Not to mention that God is fully capable of making it so that I HEAR what HE wants me to hear, regardless of what the guy up front says.)
Stacie,
ReplyDeleteFair enough...I did clarify in my comment that pastors are human and face temptation.
You are correct in stating that I don't know your heart either.
And you are spot on with this comment, "It's amazing how many times the passage for the day 'just happens' to hit something specific going on in my life personally or in the life of the church as a whole."
Amen.
Don't hear it much in regular church services. But at camps/retreats/special events - all. the. time. I guess that's because of the emotional impact that is expected of speakers are expected to make at these kinds of events.
ReplyDeleteMy personal favorite is when the speaker goes the extra mile and adds in "I really didn't want to give this message, but the spirit of God compels me..." after the "I had something else planned, but an hour ago God dropped a big one on me. He gave me something new." routine.
I know God makes last minute changes. Although, I'm not entirely sure if it's only last minute to us because God's planning it all along and He's only telling us now because He's got a peculiar sense of humor. Or it truely is last minute because God has a spontaneous streak that I can't even begin to comprehend.
Which in many situations I've heard it said is code for, "I really didn't get what I wanted to say prepared very well so I'm going to do this sermon that I pull out and do whenever I haven't prepared very well."
ReplyDeleteOur worship leader "woke up with a song on her heart" last Sunday morning. This was not a song we typically sing. God apparently forgot to put this same song on the heart of the tenor who had the solo.
ReplyDeleteHe forgot every word.
"...the "in the shower" moment where something unexpected jumps out at you..."
ReplyDeleteMaybe it was Norman Bates.
i used to have a pastor i really admired who would do this once or twice each year. when i began teaching i was always looking over my shoulder kind of expecting God to pull the rug out from under the sermon at the last minute only to give me some glorious replacement that would be the spring board for a huge revival (please read "revival" with a southern accent for dramatic purposes). for a while i felt very un-spiritual because God never gave me a new message at the last minute. eventually i got over it...then he did it. oh, silly pride masked as insecurity!
ReplyDeletewv: wirchi - what a husband says when the perfectly good clothes he left wadded up in the middle of the room disappear. (wirchi put 'em this time? hamper again, really?!?)
Mamaduck27-------
ReplyDeleteROFLOL!!!
Sally- Well said. Sorry if you felt I was in anyway judging your motives.
ReplyDeleteStacie- I'm sorry if my comment offended you. I don't know your heart and that much is true. And like I stated earlier, I'm sure that there are pastors out there that have used this as a gimmick. Because as we all know, pastors are merely human.
Uh, Jon, it's not politically correct to say "Stewardess" anymore. It's "Flight Attendant."
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome.
wv: respa. Respa the flight attendants. They control the bags of Chex Mix.
I don't know. Most pastors I know are "preaching to the choir". :)
ReplyDeleteThis is the cousin of the thing I dislike most (at first I wrote "hate" instead of "dislike" but that didn't seem like a very Christian thing to do so I changed it). Anyway, the thing I don't like is when someone gets up and says "Well, I just got asked to do this about five minutes ago, so..." or "I didn't really know how to say 'no' when I was asked to do this...", or "I have no idea what I'm about to say...". It's just tacky and unnecessary.
ReplyDeleteWhen pastors say it, I do believe that sometimes it's because of a prompt by the Holy Spirit, but it's still unnecessary to say. As someone else has already said, sermons should be inspired by the Holy Spirit whenever they're prepared, not just the last-minute or changed ones, so why bring it up at all?
After reading through other comments, I just want to say that I love and trust my pastor! (I feel a bit like wanting to yell "I still love Jesus" when I see someone from a small group I quit...)
ReplyDeleteThe beauty of the foolishness of preaching, and several people touched on this, is that even in the weekly preparation, the Spirit of the living God is preparing the heart of the preacher and the heart of the hearer. So that, even if there is no last minutes change, He is present and moving in the midst of His people.
ReplyDeleteHe has promised that His Word will not return void. The preacher clings to this promise like a drowning man to a life rope.
wv: murth
French for "moth"
Inspector Clouseau: "Oh, you mean murths!"
I've heard a pastor say it. Once. And the sermon he gave as a result was pretty fantastic. I'm still curious what the topic was the God kicked to the curb. It's happened to me, in much smaller terms, in leading worship.
ReplyDeleteNathanael and Carrie - thank you and no I didn't find your comments condescending or judgemental. I was just feeling slightly (and rightly) convicted. It's good to keep one's cynicism in check!
ReplyDeleteSally, you said, "It's good to keep one's cynicism in check!"
ReplyDeleteSometimes a healthy dose of cynicism is a good thing.
As my very wise and beautiful wife often says, a balance is necessary.
@sharkbait--
ReplyDeletewhen God speaks to you, does he really call you Sharkbait?!?!
@Shark Bait or does he call you Sharkie, like I do? Do you mind that I call you that? I mean it in affection.
ReplyDeleteEchoing what nic said, I've mostly heard it at special events/ conference type situations - where there is an itinerant preacher. And with itinerant preachers, having heard some who really impacted me a second timea few years later and recognising some of the same jokes, anecdotes and points, I've realised a lot of the time, they have a small handful of prepared "messages" that they pick from for new events.
ReplyDeletePerhaps it's not - God gave me an entirely new message, but rather, God told me to do this one out of my repertoire, rather than the one I originally planned to do. (although they never say it that explicitly)
If it's a regular pastor who preaches every week and knows their congregation and pulls it out on occasion, I would be less cynical about it
Saying "God told me to speak on..." doesn't make it from God. And not saying it doesn't make it NOT from God.
ReplyDeleteI've heard speakers make the "God changes my message" remark many times. Seems like an unnecessary disclaimer motivated by pride or fear.
Either it's important we all know the speaker is super holy and sensitive to everything God says, or it's important we understand why the delivery might not be perfectly polished - and blame God for any stumbling over words?
If God gives you something to say 3 weeks in advance or 5 minutes in advance, what difference does it make? (Except to your own comfort level) If you believe it is what God has instructed to be said, then you get over yourself, open your mouth and say it. No disclaimers are needed.
I've been both the speaker and the hearer of those short notice messages, and if they were from God, any inadequacies in the delivery truly did not matter for the life the message delivered.
I love when my pastors do last-minute sermons.
ReplyDeleteI've heard this very rarely... but I don't see any reason to announce it *unless* you're leaving a printed order of worship in the dust and want to preempt confusion.
ReplyDeleteOtherwise, aren't you just calling attention to yourself?
WV: "flatists": people who believe it is a sin to sing on key.
I had a pastor who was a fantastic communicator who did this sometimes - except that he never made an announcement about it. he mentioned it to us one time (my husband and me) privately and after the fact, in kind of a casual way. I liked that.
ReplyDeleteso it made me think - why would one need to announce it? if the message is really from God, shouldn't it have just as much impact with no disclaimer?
Your blog entries rock, dude. They're so insightful and witty. Thank you so much!
ReplyDeleteI have one friend who gives much better talks when he hasn't prepared....
ReplyDeleteI haven't read any of the other comments (gasp!) but I will say that this kind of disclaimer usually tells me that the person speaking is self-conscious about the decision and unclear as to what God wants, or simply struggled to come up with a sermon they felt was adequate on the prescribed topic.
ReplyDeleteGod can lead us to do crazy unexpected things, but sometimes we just wake up with a desire to do something different and unplanned. There's nothing wrong with that as long as we accept it for what is and don't over spiritualize it. :)
I do far too much speaking at churches.
ReplyDeleteI hate the "God told me to say this instead" line. To me, it usually implies a poorly put together sermon and a message with more relevance to the person speaking than the congregation.
PASTOR SWISH,
ReplyDeleteno sir you wrong :) there are not just 2 reasons. There also exists a 3rd reason *gasp*
i think sometimes people are insecure and treading new territory. by saying this was a change up, it provides freedom to not be as processed as it otherwise might be had they put the time to organize.
When I've heard pastors make that statement, my perception is that they are trying to be spiritual or show they are in touch with God. It's been a turn off for me because the first pastor I heard say that on a regular basis, turned out to be a a very violent man at home. His messages started getting off base and I left. But he kept a very spiritual front in the congregation. Now, I just prefer to hear a good sermon without all that. If the man or woman of God is in touch with God, the message will minister to the people even without that declaration.
ReplyDeleteYes I've heard it, and I ONLY EVER THINK "they didn't prepare anything, they are not "studying to show thyselves approved" they are just lazy and pulling junk out of their hiney" I never EVER think that God has seriously changed it, because even then, it's going to be good enough to NOT have to offer an EXCUSE, which when it comes down to it, is all the sermon change up really is.
ReplyDeleteHi, I'm a pastor and I did do this once (I didn't say 'God changed it' but something like I felt led to preach something different than I had planned. I did feel led to preach a different sermon and had already preached the planned one to an earlier service (which had gone well). It was almost like a mechanism to cover up the fear of speaking unprepared - not that I was consciously thinking that at the time. The extemporaneous one went well too.
ReplyDeleteHowever, in echoing some of the posts here - the next time (and last time) that happened I just preached the new message with no announcement to the congregation. The focus was then squarely on Christ with no distraction of my changing of the message.
For me it was a way of living Jesus' teaching to "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them." (Matthew 6:1) For me, it became a matter between me and God that I did not need to announce to everyone else, but rather just follow God.
I don't claim to know others' motivation for making the announcement nor do I condemn it. It may be good for their folks to hear that from them. It may be germaine to the message. And at the end of the day, public speaking is still scary for many and standing there not knowing precisely what you'll say next is no small thing.
Grace and peace.
This is in some pastors and worship leaders greatest hits album. I heard the person who was preaching say that this morning. When I used to be in the music team at the church they would practice the songs they were intending to do for Sunday and then on the sunday they would change a couple of songs and used this phrase as an excuse.
ReplyDeleteI thought God was the same Yesterday today and forever. I thought that God knows what's going to happen in Sunday services the Monday before. If they have asked God a week before why would God suddenly change his mind?
It kinda sucks when you're training up youth in the music team and they take the songs home and practice like mad and then the worship leader decides to change a couple of songs that haven't been practiced for a year.
It just comes down to organization and how prepared someone is. Try doing the same with an exam.
I think it's funny that you are blogging about people changing things at the last minute. If you look at the time you post the majortiy of your blogs, it is at 3:00am. This one was posted at 2:59am. Did God change your mind for this post at the last minute? What were you going to blog about?
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