I have a small dilemma.
A few weeks ago I thought about writing a list of songs and movies that I've been enjoying lately. But there was a song I wanted to put on the list that wasn't technically Christian. And by "technically Christian" I mean the f-bomb made a cameo in the second verse.
I know what you're thinking, Casting Crowns, right? Nope, the song in question is Lily Allen's "The Fear." The impossible to succinctly describe Allen created a song in which she attacks and reflects upon the foolishness and wastefulness of our celebrity-infatuated society. I think it's a really well written expose on pop culture in general but as I mentioned, it's not technically Christian.
So when I sat down to write about the song I found myself tempted to create a "Christian Secular Culture Disclaimer." Not familiar with the Christian Secular Culture Disclaimer (CSCD)? Allow me to elaborate. A CSCD is what a Christian says when they want to recommend something they like that's not Christian but they don't want you to judge them. It's a complex sentence designed to make a case for why when you look at it in the right light, that thing you're enjoying, be it a movie, or a CD or a television show is actually quite alright.
Here's an example:
"The movie is really vulgar and I had to fast forward a few scenes but the heart of it is very honest and I think it communicates an important message about what happens when we chase our dreams blindly."
That was how I described Jessie Spano's movie "Showgirls" to my pastor. I'm kidding. My pastor was my dad, he would have never fallen for that.
But my real dilemma with the Lily Allen situation was that I didn't know how to craft a really good CSCD. I'm a big fan of the buzz phrase, "doing things with excellence" and I didn't know how to apply that to the creation of a CSCD. Until today.
Today, I offer you a checklist for creating the ultimate CSCD. Master this and you'll never have to worry about other Christians or accountability partners questioning your taste in music, movies or television.
The Christian Secular Culture Disclaimer Checklist:
1. Mention the production values of the work in question.
Example: "Sure, ‘It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia’ is really lewd, but it's one of the best written shows on television. I like the writing. As a writer, that means a lot to me."
2. Indicate that you don't struggle with the same things other people struggle with.
Example: "I admit, the new science fiction novel I'm reading has more robot sex then I'm comfortable with, but robot sex has never been something I've personally struggled with so I’m able to read the book. But it’s definitely not for everyone."
3. Make loose references to the Old Testament.
Example: "Sure, Braveheart is violent but so was the Old Testament. And have you ever read some of the scenes in the Song of Solomon? Britney Spears has nothing on Solomon."
4. Give elaborate instructions on how to avoid any highly inappropriate scenes.
Example: "Here, you can borrow my copy of ‘American Beauty,’ but make sure that you skip the first scene, fast forward through the 11th minute, cover your eyes as soon as you see roses come on screen and leave your house entirely at about the 27th minute. Seriously, just walk out the door, count to 100 in the front yard and then come back inside and finish the movie."
5. Pull out one aspect of the music and pretend that's the only one you notice.
Example: "What's that? Lil' Wayne swears a lot and objectifies women? Weird, I guess I hadn't noticed. For me, it's all about the beat. I just like a good beat and usually don't notice anything else."
6. Pretend the relevance of the entire faith of Christianity hinges on your ability to listen to that music.
Example: "Sure, I don't see us playing any Flo Rida during worship anytime soon but unless we know what this world is all about, how are we supposed to communicate with it? Are you saying you want me to be irrelevant? Is that what you’re saying?”
7. Throw God under the bus.
Example: "God moves in mysterious ways doesn't He? I mean this is the guy that used a burning bush and a donkey and handwriting on the wall to communicate His message. I wasn't expecting to find him in Gladiator, but there He was."
You probably don't do this. Right now you're probably praying for my heathen, Lily Allen listening soul. But if you have done this, and you want to do it better, feel free to use this list. Just make sure you avoid the kryptonite of the Christian Secular Culture Disclaimer, Philippians 4:8.
Never read that verse? It says "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
It's easy to argue that Lil' Wayne is an extremely talented wordsmith, a ridiculous model of how you can use the Internet to be ubiquitous, and one of the hardest working rappers alive right now. I joke about him all the time and have said before that I want to be the "Christian Lil' Wayne." But, it's hard to argue that the music he makes is pure and noble. I mean you can try, you can throw back verses like, Matthew 15:1: "What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'" But at that point you've entered into a Bible verse arms race and if you google "Lil' Wayne and the New Testament" on Biblegateway.com you're going to get nothing. Trust me, I've tried. I 've tried.
Have you ever used a Christian Secular Culture Disclaimer?
Have any of your friends ever busted out the CSCD?
Yes!
ReplyDeleteIn addition to all this, my little riff on the CSCD is to justify the secular thing by mocking the Christianized versions. I like to say things about how we serve a creator-God, and if we can't create works that are as awesome as the secular world then we ought to stop trying.
I guess it's the reverse of the production-values thing. And the truth is I really do know that just because Christian film is often mediocre at best, ultimately this doesn't give me a license to go watch Sin City, as much as I might try to claim otherwise.
I've used CSCDs so much that if I were old enough I would claim a copyright. But alas, I didn't invent or patent them.
ReplyDeleteThis would have been the perfect opportunity to end a list with 6 points, btw.
great post Jon. fantastic.
ReplyDeleteI think the reason we give the CSCD is because we know that if we don't give it, we are going to be held responsible for any alleged sins that are committed during the experience we suggested.
So, if I suggest you watch a funny prank video on CollegeHumor.com and don't say, "oh but there's a lot of garbage on there, so be careful", it gives you free reign to view anything you like and blame it on me. "Hey, Bryan never gave me the CSCD so I assumed all this stuff was appropriate. Every sin I commit while on his recommended site is going on his ledger, even if I rob a convenience store while viewing these videos on my iPhone."
lol. great post. have received a few of those list with documented timestamps for eye closing from friends...
ReplyDeleteHahahahaha! (that is a code word which implies I am laughing a lot)
ReplyDeleteI like "the Fear" too, a lot - but I also find Phil 4:8 hard to skip over. I LOVE the concept of a "Bible verse arms race".
Sadly I do every single one of those. Not all at the same time, but in my life I have use every single disclaimer.
ReplyDeleteAh, Phil 4:8. Opened up a whole new world for me. That's all I have to say about that!
ReplyDeleteI don't really delineate between Christian/secular, but I use disclaimers all the time. I know my brother isn't keen on loads of profanity, so even if something is otherwise fantastic, if it's got much profanity or negativity I'll usually not recommend it. My sister will tolerate the violence of a Braveheart as she really enjoys the epic stories.
ReplyDeleteSo the key to recommendations is really knowing the other individual - where they draw the line, not where you do - and then giving them options on their terms.
On that note, as answered in a recent poll, my 'favorite Christian movies' are:
American History X
Children Of Men
Lars & The Real Girl
The Painted Veil
There Will Be Blood
and of course, Monty Python's The Life Of Brian.
Of course I'm serious. Ask me why if you don't get it.
First I love your description of American Beauty. I've never seen the movie and I've never really felt the desire to watch it ... until now. I want to watch it just so I can set a timer and get everyone up and out of the house at the 27 minute mark.
ReplyDeleteWe can have a big movie night arty with my young adults and I'll say "Jon Acuff recommended this movie but gave a few suggestions to improve the viewing." Then they'll collectively say, "Who's Jon Acorn?" To which I'll reply, "No Jon Acuff, like 'a cuff link but without the link." Then we'll have this weird awkward moment of silence where they pretend they know who I'm talking about so they don't have to endure the long winded explanation of who this "acorn" guy is.
Then we'll watch the movie and I'll direct everyone when to cover your eyes or to stand up and leave the house. After that they'll be "wow, this Jon Cufflink sounds great does he have any books being published?"
Great blog. I used to use, "That movie is really violent but I can handle it CSCD." The robot sex stuff not so much.
ReplyDeleteBut as I'm growing now, it's not a valid CSCD for me to use.
I steer clear of those Robosexuals ~ Bender
I've actually found myself in the opposite situation a number of times. I was in a bookstore with a friend of mine (lapsed Catholic) and she mentioned something about Anne Rice. I immediately piped up with, "Oh, her latest series of books is really great!" Er, her Christ the Lord series, which is great, but would not interest my friend in the least. So I immediately got tongue-tied (I'm such a great witness) and nattered on about the writing and the depth of research, blah, blah, blah, before giving up and changing the subject entirely.
ReplyDeleteI have to use CSCD when I explain that I know and like "live your life" by T.I. and Rihanna.
ReplyDeleteAlso, that it's on my Ipod.
And that it helps me when I'm on the treadmill.
;)
Great post. Perhaps its only unfortunately, but yes, I do it all the time. Most recently here. (My CSCD is contained in the fine print at the bottom.)
ReplyDeleteWhere in Phil 4:8 does it say it has to be all those things for you to think about it? If something is lovely but not pure, should you think about it? What about pure but not lovely?
ReplyDeleteI use #1 every time I mention liking something from The Lonely Island.
ReplyDelete"It's so creative and well produced. Wait, that song was about what? I didn't even notice."
Also, I've used the fact that I met Charlie Day as an excuse to watch Sunny. That doesn't even make sense.
I live in such a "religious" area that I seldom mention what I am watching or reading because no one else knows what I'm talking about. If it isn't Joel Osteen, or "Facing the Giants," they haven't got a clue as to what I'm talking about. It's really like a "religious ghetto"--and IMHO, nothing really spiritual at all.
ReplyDeleteIt's too bad because I would like to be able to recommend that they see a movie like "The Big Kahuna" with Kevin Spacey or "CRASH." But they might have a difficult time getting past all the "bad" words.
BTW, this is reflected in their relationships with co-workers...some of them tend to make the sign of the cross and treat their fellow workers like Dracula or Satan himself. We can't get too close to those wicked sinners, or we will become polluted and stained with the world.
Heh, your instructions about American Beauty reminded me of when my parents' friends brought over Forrest Gump because "it's an amazing movie", and then spent a significant amount of time conscientiously skipping portions of it.
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't until I saw again much later that I realized how large of a role Jenny actually plays in the "unabridged" movie.
Oh my goodness, I just had to do this the other day! When I'm working out I absolutely cannot get a good enough workout without Techno/electronic music. One of my workout CDs has some pretty raunchy music but otherwise they're pretty mild. Listening to Chris Tomlin just doesn't have the same beat to get my heartrate up.
ReplyDeleteGreat post Jon!
wv: minnes. Those girls shoudn't wear minnes to church; it's inappropriate.
Fantastic post...this is definitely in my top 10. Hilarious.
ReplyDeleteRobot sex = cyber syphilis
ReplyDeleteIt's not possible to download that kind of guilt, shame, and mockery. Our microwave was a ho until we introduced it to secondary electronic virginity. But the fridge still points and laughs, "Skanky defroster!" It's all so sad.
(my comment probably needs a CSDS)
I've tried for years to convince my wife that 24 is actually a Christian allegory of Christ's suffering and man's search for redemption. I even bought her a copy of "24 and Philosophy" for her birthday to convince her it's not all about violence and stress.
ReplyDeleteIt didn't work. And now I feel guilty.
But at least the season's over now.
Dividing stuff into secular and Christian can become a problem for a creative Christian. It's just as important to get Christian content into soap operas and action movies as it is to produce wholesome stuff to build up those who already believe.
ReplyDeleteI need to remember this concept, as I haven't used it in a very long time. But I mentioned to someone recently (a fellow volunteer at Orange Confeerence) that my wife and I were watching "Rome". Only a bit later did I think, "ooo, that might have not been the best thing to say.".
ReplyDeleteAt the same time, remember Romans 14:22-23. Make your decisions and then stand by them. Pray about them when you feel the need as you refine your faith, but don't hold back because of your choices. It might turn out to be a weakness in your faith that someone else can help you with. At the very least, you're giving someone else the gift of going second. :)
You missed a huge one. The Christian plug of a television show that always begins with:
ReplyDelete"I don't watch much tv at all, but the other day, while flipping through the channels. . ."
I'm glad someone came up with a way to justify it's always sunny... season 1 & 2, anyway... season 3 was just ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteAny suggestions for my other guilty pleasure, Reno 911?
Ha ha, I've heard number 6 as a reason to listen to Coldplay...
ReplyDeleteI have a lot to learn. I usually claim that ....
ReplyDelete1)My husband and I are too busy to watch much television (and yeah, I do make it sound like that ;-)).
2) We only got cable for my bed ridden momma.
3) I only watch the Hallmark channel....with my bed ridden momma.
What kind of CSCD disclaimer can I use for watching pro wrestling....of course, if I ever watched it because it landed on the Hallmark Channel...
I do this constantly...to my Christian friends, so they won't think I'm trying to turn them heathen. And also because I'd rather they didn't get way into Rachel Getting Married and think, "Amelia is such a jerk for not even telling us there was rampant swearing and sex in this movie that we chose for family film night."
ReplyDeletePlus, bonus, that way they are more likely to take my cultural suggestions in future, cementing my status as Person With Good Recommendations.
I'm sure you wanted a comment about the CSCD - not just "The Fear" but i have to say I downloaded that song after I heard it twice. I actually thought about suggesting my pastor listen to it because I think it has a great message (especially in our wealthy suburban church). But I held off - now maybe I'll change my mind! I appreicate your blog because when I get stuck on whether or not I can be the "perfect" Christian (and duh! I can't) I realize that it's ok to be myself and be a Christian.
ReplyDeletewv: moddlen - something old that looks new, the opposite of retro
i usually just say "i know it's trash but i like it" ;)
ReplyDeleteand i love lily allen
Lil Wayne? Really?
ReplyDeleteThat just hurts my rap-loving soul.
The American Beauty part made me laugh out loud! Hilarious.
ReplyDeleteYes, just a few weeks ago regarding the movie "10 Items or Less"
ReplyDeleteI've definitely used some of these for some movies that I know are not what God would want me to see. It's funny what we use to justify what we know we shouldn't take into our hearts and minds isn't it? But no matter what we do, Phil. 4:8 is there...right in front of us...reminding us what God's standards are for what we listen to and watch. Good post and so true :)
ReplyDeleteGuilty as charged. (Is there a Robot Sex section at Blockbuster?)
ReplyDeleteYep, I used it on one of the comment contests on here to win a book. Probably why I didn't win... lol. It was the one when you asked about what books we had read recently.
ReplyDeleteOh the "Phil. 4:8" angle...
ReplyDeleteSometimes I think we "choose" to forget about that verse for our own benefit...only to realize that it's not really for our benefit at all. Kinda like you said before, why waste or time on things like that when God has so much better in store for us if we'd just make the right choice.
This is hilarious and awesome and I was worried for a minute that you jumped in my brain every time I post about what's on my ipod.
ReplyDeleteReally great post. I'm linking you.
I agree with you Anon @ 5:39am. If we separate ourselves from the world then we aren't being very effective. It's easy to stay in that Christian bubble and feel comfortable. Pharisee anyone?
ReplyDeleteI use #1 and #2 together when I defend my viewership (and ownership) of the TV show "Scrubs" to other Christians. I honestly do think it's a very well-written dramady. I try to sidestep the issue of whether or not I struggle with its more titillating visuals. After all, I live in Florida and I see worse at the beach all the time. "You wouldn't tell me to stop going to the beach, would you?"
ReplyDeletePhilippians 4:8 is one of those tough eat-your-spinach type of verses. But in this case I think we have the added challenge of identifying what is and isn't spinach. Sometimes it's obvious, but a lot of times it's not.
Jon said:
ReplyDeleteExample: "God moves in mysterious ways doesn't He? I mean this is the guy that used a burning bush and a donkey and handwriting on the wall to communicate His message. I wasn't expecting to find him in Gladiator, but there He was."
I could show you a church webpage where the senior pastor states his favorite movie is "Gladiator" - and without CSCD. What should I make of that?
My disclaimer is typically, "I can't officially recommend this movie, but ..." That way, if they watch it, and come back to me in shock and frustration, I can say, "Hey, I didn't officially recommend it. You were on your own when you watched that one."
ReplyDeleteI need a rubber stamp for the movies I officially recommend.
Another CSCD that is wrong on so many levels is to suggest you "heard" the artist might be Christian:
"Yeah, Eminem? I heard that guy was a Christian. I read it in an email forward. All the sexual references are basically metaphors for the church's struggle with wealth in the twentieth century."
This could be one of the Apps that Zondervan is looking for...The Do-it-Youself CSCD App:
ReplyDeleteIt could be modeled after TurboTax, Will Maker or any one of those fill in the blank document programs. It would be complete with "justification verses" (obscure verses that sound so right until you look up the context, but really, who looks up the context? We just nod and act like we know to save face).
I like the line about how we should watch smut to stay 'culturally relevant'...I want to help crack addicts, so I think it would be a good idea to shoot up a couple of times so I can really understand where they are coming from.
I used the CSCD a lot to cover up my addiction to 'worldly pleasures'. Be in the world, not of the world, keep yourself unstained by the world, don't eat food sacrificed to idols if it will cause your brother to stumble, yaddy, yaddy, yaddah.
I don't generally listen to 'Christian' music, as there's so much of it and so little of it is actually good. It's great, however, when you find a 'Christian' artist or band whose music you really enjoy, and the fact that they're going to be in Heaven with you is just the icing on the cake.
ReplyDelete(in this comment, I've used quotation marks around 'Christian' to denote that A) music itself can't possess a faith, and that B) who are we to judge whether or not an artist is 'Christian'...discuss.)
I have a question, though, and those of you with theology degrees can help me with this - could it be argued that any artist or band, no matter how irreverent their material, has been given musical gifts by their Creator, whether or not they acknowledge Him?
OMG! (g stands for goodness. ha) Great post. LOVED IT.
ReplyDeleteMy own CSCD: "Sure, I've read the Da Vici Code. I can understand how non-believers could be easily influenced by this book and take it as truth, but if you are secure in your faith, LIKE I AM, you can appreciate it for the well-written fiction that it is." Bahahaha
I suppose it would help if I spelled Da Vinci right. Whoops.
ReplyDeletefunny. i just wrote about this in my blog a few days ago.
ReplyDeletehttp://vanover521.blogspot.com/2009/05/im-torn.html
and, braveheart IS the greatest film. ever. it made me happy to see you reference it. :)
we've used everything from pink floyd, lynrd skynrd & the bare naked ladies music in our services - my pastor even did a whole series based on the beatles. (LoudOnPurpose.com) it's cliché to say it, but it really is all about relevence (the most overused term in church culture today).
ReplyDeleteallen drops an "f bomb" in the first verse too - but i still like the song.
Jon, this is completely ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteKeep it up. : )
You could go one step further... I'm at one of those "relevant" churches, on the staff of one of the most "relevant" ministries I've ever seen. Complaining about how much Christian music sucks is the chosen method of justification for listening to, say, John Legend (give me the green light/give me just one night/i'm ready to go right now/i'm ready to go right now).
ReplyDeleteDropping the phrase "I've lost all interest and faith in the christian music market" is key to making yourself 10 times more relevant. Just make sure no one catches you singing that new Natalie Grant tune in your car.
Delurking because this is hilarious! Having a 14 year old son I can relate!
ReplyDeleteThis is a great post. The robot sex thing is fantastic! Also, I'm a pastor and I find "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" to be so hilarious in its wrongness... but anyway.
ReplyDeleteMy problem with the disclaimers is that I hardly ever remember those parts. If I really responded to a movie or story or song, all I remember is what it "spoke" to me. This has gotten me in trouble on more than one occasion. I'll try harder with the CSCD's or just not recommend anything. :)
This is my favorite post. Today.
ReplyDeleteI LOVE Tupac (2Pac... Pac... Makaveli). I often disclaim my love for him with, "but Jesus loves me anyway," or the ever-handy, "thank goodness for Grace." Fact of the matter is, though... I think he is a bad ask motherthumpin, motherthumper and I'd sooner give up Chris Tomlin than him.
It does suck, though, that he is in Hell.
It's true. I'm very careful most of the time with what I put before my eyes and what I listen to. My soft spot comes from hip hop/R&B music. I love it! I love many of the Christian artists in this arena, but they are hardly ever played on the radio. So, sometimes I pull the "I just like the beat" line when listening to secular songs of that genre on a car ride.
ReplyDeleteHere's an example:
ReplyDelete"The movie is really vulgar and I had to fast forward a few scenes but the heart of it is very honest and I think it communicates an important message about what happens when we chase our dreams blindly."
That was how I described Jessie Spano's movie "Showgirls" to my pastor. I'm kidding. My pastor was my dad, he would have never fallen for that.
I almost spit out my coffee when I read that! LOL!
i used to use CSCD's alot... Fight Club is an especially difficult one to maneuver around. But not anymore. Now I shine up and wear my badge of relevancy and make sure my grace card is handy so when someone looks at me in disgust I can leg drop them with spiritual witticisms of how judgmental they are.
ReplyDeleteThen, the best part, is every time you see them you act like they have a huge 4 foot plank sticking out of their eye so every time they turn to look at you let out a "WHOA!" and duck real low or jump back like it's about to smack you in the face.
This doesn't play well to the older crowd, or the middle aged crowd, but the 20-something punk college students get a kick out of it.
WTF? (What the farmer?)
ReplyDelete56 comments already? Guess I should have read sooner. Nothing else to add that hasn't already been said.
(Except of course - What the farmer?)
I truly enjoy the movies that have 'truth' in them, whether it's harsh or not. And I think that's what Pil. 4:8 is talking about. All truth is God's truth, right?
ReplyDeleteIt certainly doesn't have to be a 'Facing the Giants' type of movie (although that has its place). I did LOVE Lars and the Real Girl!
I also think that the closer my relationship with God, the less I want to see or hear crappy stuff.
"But there was a song I wanted to put on the list that wasn't technically Christian. And by "technically Christian" I mean the f-bomb made a cameo in the second verse.
ReplyDeleteI know what you're thinking, Casting Crowns, right?"
Casting Crowns? BWAHAHA!
That just made my day.
*goes and listens to Casting Crowns*
katdish, I believe it was melon farmer...
ReplyDeleteOne great insight my very artistic friend gave me about how sometimes secular things are just done better is that, when you break it down, "Really bad Christian art is still just really bad art."
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ReplyDeleteI know I'm a bit late but I so really really agree with you on that Lily Allen song (I feel my Brit status means I have particular resonance with her view of the world!) and the first time I heard it I was taken aback by the prophetic resonance of it. Thing is though, she may be right but she ain't really saying very affirming things is she? I reckon our pop culture needs to be proclaiming hope and boldness in the face of the very real fear...
ReplyDeleteP.S. There is SO MUCH God in the secular world. I think we should be more declarative of that fact and actually delight in the way He gets around because He is the Truth and everyone - Christian or no - is spiritually aware... feeling the beat, noticing the darkness, longing for love. After all, all of humanity is made in His image, not just Christians.
Back when I was in high-school, my Sunday School class spent a few weeks talking about "wholesome" entertainment and what we allow ourselves to watch and listen to. One week our teacher asked us to bring in our favorite CDs and we'd listen to a song then talk about the merrits of the song/artist and if that was something that would be acceptable for Christian ears.
ReplyDeleteA friend of mine brought in a Soundgarden CD and played Black Hole Sun (this is back when that song was still new). The majority of the group condemned that song - despite the fact that there is no objectionable content in the song. Soundgarden was "voted" as unacceptable - that no Christian should listen to them. One of the girls brought in a country CD (I don't remember the artist) and played a song about getting drunk. This song - that glorified alcoholism - was "voted" to be acceptable for Christian standards. Soundgarden was deemed unholy while the drunken hillbilly deemed pure and noble. The reasoning had nothing to do with the content of the songs - but the style of music. the worst part about it was the youth leader was in agreement with the voting majority. 15 years later, I'm still appalled by the hypocracy of it all.
(The real kicker in this story is the CD that I brought - I played a track from Plankeye - a Christian band - and the group voted them to be unacceptable for Christians... again, for the same reason of music style - not content.)
I think it is funny that the verse you use to counter Philippians actually condemns the rapper even more, as it _is_ the stuff coming out of his mouth that is evil. :)
ReplyDeleteSo as a journalist, I used the first one often when reading stuff that I know I shouldn't be reading. I'll throw the "I'm expected to read news" line out often.
ReplyDeleteThat second one is sad because people really believe it. They're like, well I can listen to hip hop because sexual lyrics have no affect on me. You might not know it kid, but that means nothing.
ReplyDeleteGiven that God is a radical missionary God who is relentlessly pursuing each and every one of us, I don't think we should find it surprising when we find his finger prints in so-called secular culture... After all, God isn't just interested in talking to Christians!
ReplyDeleteI think I throw God under the bus all the time when referring entertainment choices...
ReplyDeleteAlso, I saw a comment trying to disclaimer-ize the Da Vinci Code. I saw no issue with it. Did Christians really think that the Bible was going to be undermined by a popular novel? Did they think that Christian scholars hadn't dealt with that possibility (the novel's main declaration) before in all of history?
ReplyDeleteI am simply shaking my head at how ridiculously true this all is.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone else notice the irony in Nic's comment about his youth group? I just found myself laughing at the fact that a group of Christians chose to "vote off" a Christian group because they judged it to be inappropriate. And the group's name... Plankeye.
ReplyDeleteHeh.
I stopped going to youth group (about the same time I started working full time at the same church and my dad came on staff - around 10th grade) largely due to the bull**** judgmentalism regarding media that was pervasive in the youth group I had been at, and the attendant petty fallacious intellectualizing of everything.
ReplyDeleteI listened to, at that time, 100% Christian music. But it was indie stuff, nothing from the 'CCM' scene. I endured so much pestering and nit-picking about whether or not each group 'met the cut' that I just abandoned the discussions altogether - found people who could enjoy art without killing it.
i usually say something like "im not responsible for what you find on there" to people when they look at my itunes. its usually so they wont judge me when they see that ive listened to candy shop 15 times...
ReplyDeleteI have done this for a few movies, like Juno:
ReplyDelete"If you skip a few parts, it's really funny. Oh, and she gives the baby up for adoption instead of getting an abortion! I thought that was great."
Other than that, I just try not to watch/listen to a lot of secular things. That way I don't have to make excuses.
That verse in Phillipians would be perfect if we listened with our mouths.
ReplyDeleteI use the CSCD often when recommending PostSecret to Christians. It's so amazing, and awe-inspiring, and profound, and hopeless, and helpless, and truly puts your finger on the pulse of your peers. Then it drops horrible in your lap once in a while. It's a tough one.
"Transporter 2 is a pretty awesome movie. There's a tiny bit of nudity but the rest is awesome"
ReplyDeleteYeah that was mine
I guess I've used this when recommending the book "Lamb" by Christopher Moore. There are some awkward moments, but it's really a heartwarming and very funny book about a fictional Christ that draws a lot from the real Christ. I guess that's my CSCD.
ReplyDeleteyeah, I totally do this. I even leave some of my favorite TV shows off my favorite tv show list on my facebook profile because I haven't figured out a good way to get a CSCD in there...
ReplyDeleteI guess I'm pretty familiar with the CSCD, as people often just assume that I fill my life with All Things Christian. So for those Christian friends of mine who actually do surround themselves with only Christian-based media, I suppose I do throw out the disclaimer. It's almost like an apology for liking something not Officially Christian Approved.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, I tell people without shame that I do not listen to much Christian music. People always assume that I do because I sing on the praise team at church, but I like alternative music, and most Christian bands that try to mimic the alternative style fall flat, IMO. I can't stand bands that sound like they're trying to sound like some secular band. Weak imitation coupled with lame lyrics, and I'm running for secular music. And I'm not ashamed to admit it.
i've definitely done this...whenever I recommend Little Miss Sunshine, I create a CSCD to justify that it's one of my favorite movies, I think I say something about it speaking to the true beauty of girls despite the f-bomb being dropped every few minutes. Oh, and don't forget the justification that Paul cussed...doesn't "rubbish" in Phillipians mean something else? that's what someone told me, or was that something they just made up for their CSCD?
ReplyDeletehaha! totally used to use CSCDs! now everyone just knows i'm a "heathen" and has resolved to shaking their heads and praying for me. ;)
ReplyDeleteYou could always lay some theology on them....
ReplyDeleteI've been studying the roots of our church and came across the term 'pietism', part of which (according to wikipedia) incorporates the belief that 'instead of merely didactic, and often bitter, attacks on the heterodox and unbelievers, a sympathetic and kindly treatment of them' is best.
Could tolerance of the worldly trappings of an otherwise uplifting and meaningful song, movie, book etc. fall within the spirit of pietism? Am I really in some sort of danger if I tolerate the world instead of condemn it? Am I a more or less effective witness for Christ if I am in the world instead of separate from it? If I have a rich spiritual life and healthy spiritual condition, am I or am I not safe in the world?
Funny article, John...but sadly, so true. The best (or worst?) one I've heard was from my 18 yr old son, who openly professes that although he believes in God, he is NOT a Christian, yet he constantly tries to defend the questionable songs he listens to, to me. I shook my head in disbelief when he tried to tell me re the Nine Inch Nails song "Revelation 22:20" that it was a redemption song..."and Mum, he's referencing the Bible!"
ReplyDelete"Yeah, right, son."
i feel so convicted after reading this. i got a real lesson some time ago about not thinking on anything that isn't lovely or of good report. i had watched a show about pedophiles, and let it get to me so much that the concept of it had infiltrated my mind. i was constantly haunted by it. i thought to myself, that must be why God said not to think about it. back to my point: yes, i get furious at my husband when he makes excuses for Family Guy and South Park, but i personally love hero movies like Gladiator that are saturated in battle scene violence. i don't know, they just seem different to me. but maybe they're the same to God. i also love Metallica and Harry Potter, which i've prayed about extensively and don't feel that God has a problem with it (for me anyway). yet, i would definitely say God has a problem with the out-of-context violence and obscenity in Family Guy or the Watchmen....hm.
ReplyDeleteI have listened to Lily Allen's song The Fear and I've also tried to find ways to share the song with others ... without looking like a heathen.
ReplyDeleteI love it because it sarcastically condemns the stupid life of most celebrities.
I work at a movie theater and saw Tropic Thunder 4 times in theaters. My opinion of the movie? "It's extremely crude, but it's hilarious. Robert Downey, Jr. makes the movie."
ReplyDeleteSo, I am ok with saying that the message in Fireproof made up for the really bad acting? Or, I remember someone telling me that the reason The Lord of the Rings was ok and Harry Potter wasn't, was because Tolkein was a christian and was friends with C.S. Lewis.
ReplyDeleteGreat post, awesome blog!
ReplyDeletethanks so much :)
Just discovered this blog (love it), so I'm coming a few days late to this post and don't know if anyone'll see this comment...
ReplyDeleteBut wow. Just -- wow.
I'm a Christian living and working in Hollywood. (Yes, there are Christians in Hollywood. Thousands of us.)
And I've used disclaimers keyed to the individual I'm talking to as "hewhocutsdown" (May 19, 4:40 a.m.) mentioned. (In the same way that I wouldn't be so unkind as to offer a beer to a recovering alcoholic.)
But I don't think I've *ever* had to apologize for watching/reading/listening to something -- which is what all these CSCDs are about.
I don't even really understand why someone would feel they had to issue a disclaimer before recommending "something secular."
"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."
A work of art expresses truth. Or it doesn't. Or it contains elements of truth and elements of falsehood.
Truth doesn't always use "nice" language. Truth is sometimes violent. Sometimes even sexy. And not all truth is appropriate for a 6-year-old's bedtime story.
And falsehood is often cushioned in "nice" language and pretty packages and is perfectly acceptable for consumption at all "Christian" venues.
(As for "language" -- no one here has pointed out the difference between obscenity and profanity -- obscenity being that which is considered extremely vulgar and inappropriate in a given culture (in our culture, certain words pertaining to sex, bathroom functions, and race)... and profanity being that which disrespects the name and power of God, and which crosses all cultural lines. I see too much shock from Christians at the first, and too little at the second.)
I'm genuinely sad reading all these comments, seeing how many people are afraid of what others might think of them based on the music/movies/TV they like. Wow.
I'm a little bit confused, is this satire or serious?
ReplyDeleteand after five days of no comments...
ReplyDeleteI quite often find myself throwing the church, not God, under the bus (which you could argue isn't much better) in the following fashion:
"You know, I think that the church has really missed out on a lot of the creativeness (mystery, complexity, sorrow, etc etc etc) of God's heart, which I feel like this secular song (movie, book, website, paper airplane design) really reclaims."
The key word is "reclaims," I've found.
"The over-feminization of the church has led to an unrecognized crisis of masculinity that the movie 'Fight Club' addresses with startling accuracy, and is potentially beneficial for a believer if you can watch it with biblical discernment."
-Marc
wv: coushin
your dad's brother's slacker kid who won't stop crashing on your couch and get a place of his own.
Lily Allen led me to prayer when I heard the plight of her little brother, Alfie. She is truly a messenger of God. I just wish she could clean up her language.
ReplyDelete*sarcasm intended*
who doesn't? Christians watch 329% more tv than they admit. Someone who has obviously watched every episode of "The Hills": "I mean I hardly ever watch tv and I had never heard of "the hills." I was just flipping around and my remote got stuck on MTV even though I thought I had blocked that channel and I just happened to see Audrina wearing these really cute sunglasses. But I mean I don't actually watch that show."
ReplyDeleteOh gosh! That's SO hilarious!!! I know I'm a guest, but I just had to comment...
ReplyDeleteI found myself nodding when I showed my mom the movie SAVED!, she was horrified, and I tried to back up my stance on it because it's my favorite movie...
lol. All I can say is, NICELY DONE!
One of the best "Christian" novels that I have read is "The Stand," by none other than the one and only Stephen King.
ReplyDeleteTake that as you will.