One of the things we Christians like is famous pastors. I'm talking about the pastors with big ministries, big books and every now and then, big teeth. But I think it's getting harder to keep them straight. There are so many. That's why, in the vein of the GI Joe Bible guide, I decided to do a superhero guide to famous pastors. I'm sure someone has called Rick Warren "Superman" before but I sincerely doubt anyone has compared Beth Moore to Wonder Woman. Let's begin:Joel Osteen = Iron Man
According to the show "60 Minutes," Joel Osteen can bench press 300 pounds, which is slightly more than I can. But that's not why I think he's like Iron Man. If you haven't seen the movie, Iron Man is an incredibly rich, confident man named Tony Stark that develops a suit that helps him fight crime. Unlike almost every other superhero, he holds a press conference and actually tells the world he is Iron Man. I kind of feel that way about Osteen. Not that I have anything against him, but I don't think he hates being on the cover of books and magazines and television shows. He seems like someone who, like Tony Stark, is not afraid of the spotlight. And he also has a giant iron world that spins behind him on stage, which seemed to be a perfect tie in to the Iron Man reference. Plus he got a $13 million advance for his last book so he's rich like Iron Man.
Beth Moore = Wonder Woman
My mother in law would leg drop me if I ever said anything negative about Beth Moore. But regardless of that imminent danger, I don't have anything bad to say. I just think she's kind of like Wonder Woman. My wife is doing a Beth Moore Bible study right now with some other girls. Every now and then, when Moore ignites a passionate idea or a thought, her voice raises up from our living room like Wonder Woman. In my head I imagine Moore banging her wrists together like Wonder Woman. Scattering lies and Biblical confusion aside like so many bad guys and then climbing into her invisible plane and flying back to Texas. What? I'm the only one that thinks that? Fine.
TD Jakes = The Incredible Hulk
Why the Hulk? OK, which African American superhero would you have picked? It's not my fault that there aren't any good African American superheroes. Blame Marvel Comics and Stan Lee. I happen to think this one works though. Have you ever seen TD Jakes? I am pretty sure he could snap me like a twig. He's a big, imposing dude. And the Incredible Hulk is no weakling. Plus, look at the titles of TD's books, they sound like the name of Hulk movies, "He-motions," "Overcoming the Enemy" or "It will come out in the fire." (Spawn was African American but kind of creepy.)
Craig Groeschel = Spider Man
Groeschel is the lead pastor at Lifechurch.tv, what many people call the most influential church in America. I chose Spiderman because the one time I saw Groeschel speak, he was incredibly animated. He told a story about getting an electric shock while doing some plumbing. (Spiderman got his powers from being bitten by a radioactive spider. Groeschel got shocked. Both stories involve energy, coincidence?) He put his whole body into the story, virtually swinging about the stage as he told it. It was great, and reminded me of Spiderman.
Andy Stanley = Batman
Batman does not have any super powers. His strength lies in being incredibly prepared and incredibly smart. Andy Stanley is similar. If you look at him, he doesn't physically look like the super pastor he is. He's not that tall, he doesn't have over tanned glowing skin or big teeth that blind you with their whiteness. He doesn't look like Tony Robbins or someone famous. But like Batman, he seems to accomplish superhuman things. And Batman also had an established father in the city of Gotham, a widely respected man named "Dr. Wayne." Andy has an established father in the city of Atlanta, a widely respected man named "Dr. Charles Stanley." Batman had Alfred, a faithful employee that made the bat cave run. Andy has his secretary who is amazing and makes that office run. I could go on and on but I don't want to play favorites.
Rob Bell = The Green Arrow
You are not like me. You probably dated instead of reading comic books in high school. So let me enlighten you about this one. The Green Arrow was a fancy superhero. He had a little green hat with a feather and the world's most well manicured goatee. Does Rob Bell have a goatee? No, but you can't tell me he's not a little fancy. In some of the Nooma videos he has frosted tips/bleached blonde hair. As someone that once had highlights that brought out the dark charcoal nature of his eyes, I declare that to be fancy. And he's single handedly started a trend with those glasses. Plus, the Green Arrow was a communist. He was known for having progressive ideas and stretching the way we think. Rob's certainly not a communist but regardless of what you think, there's no denying that he has some progressive ideas floating around in that head.
Billy Graham = Thor
Thor is a Viking superhero that seems to have been around for centuries. He's incredibly powerful, feels at home in the mountains and is respected by all. Thor floats above the silly squabbles and was doing all of this when most other superheroes were still in diapers. Same with Billy Graham. He's one of the founding fathers of famous pastors. He's been at this for decades, calls the mountains of North Carolina his home and is respected by all. If I had accepted Lord of the Rings' characters into this post he would have been Gandalf, but for now I feel good about Thor.
Rick Warren = Superman
Batman calls Superman "the boy scout" because he's so good natured and humble. I feel the same way about Warren. I love that he didn't insist on having his picture on the cover of his wildly successful book "The Purpose Driven Life." I love that he gives 90% of his salary back to his church. And I love that even in the face of some serious family health issues he stands strong. Does Warren have the full head of hair that Superman has? Maybe not, but some days, I think he is indeed the man of steel.
Ed Young = Captain America
Captain America is like apple pie, Betsy Ross, eagles and everything else that represents America all rolled into one. I feel the same way about Ed Young. Hailing from Texas, which I personally do not mess with, he seems like the quintessential famous American pastor. He's got this big, magnetic personality that seems to fill a room. He's got a massive church and a ministry that is growing like wildfire. And he carries a round shield like Captain America that he throws at people he catches sleeping in his sermons. (OK, I made up that last part.)
Mark Driscoll = Hancock
Wow, how timely is this one. Hancock is the superhero movie Will Smith has coming out right now. In the film, he plays a reluctant hero that is rough around the edges and grittier than most other superheroes. That's Mark Driscoll to me. He seems to be a little more raw, a little more direct than some of the other pastors I know. And he makes mistakes, which he admits and airs pretty openly. Which I dig. Plus, like Rob Bell, he tends to elicit strong emotion in people. You don't feel OK about Mark, you love or hate him. And I think that's a good thing. I don't want middle of the road superheroes.
Am I wrong? Did I miss someone? Should Erwin McManus have been Wolverine? Hard to tell, but I hope this helps you distinguish between famous pastors and that some day Andy Stanley will wear a Batman utility belt when he preaches. Is that too much to ask for?
Update: Of all the posts, this is the last one I expected to need to explain. I chose TD Jakes as the Incredible Hulk because TD Jakes is big. The Incredible Hulk is also big. TD Jakes wrote a book called "He-motions." That sounds like something the Hulk would yell after throwing a Cadillac through a building, "He-motions!!!" Also, the Black Panther, Steel and War Machine are not well known enough. I have read comics for 20 years and never heard of War Machine. In the last ten years, has there been a single movie that made $100 million and gained worldwide fame in which a comic book super hero that was African American was the star? Technically, the movie "Blade" did come out in 1998, but have you ever looked at TD Jakes and thought, "Wow, he totally reminds me of Wesley Snipes?" And that I am aware of, Jakes has not supported the elimination of vampires as part of his ministry. I chose Hulk because it's recent and fresh and people would know instantly what I meant. If they had recently released a movie called "Steel," I would have compared Jakes to him. And it's interesting that no one has raised a question about me comparing Mark Driscoll to an African American hero. I mean if the issue is that I didn't get the race right, let's argue about that too. I am not saying that means anything, but it is interesting. And Billy Graham technically does not have long braided blond ponytails or carry a war hammer like Thor. Underscoring all of this is that this is a silly post in which I say Beth Moore flies in her invisible plane back to Texas.
Yes, you forgot my favorites: John Piper and CJ Mahaney and Josh Harris. :)
ReplyDeleteUhhmmm... Jon?
ReplyDeleteI always promised myself I wouldn't be one of those ninnys who complained about something on this site. Partially because I don't want to be a ninny and partially because these people get some deserved trash talking about them.
But I want to ask you about something on the T.D. Jakes thing. First off, I assume that you know the Hulk isn't African American. I gather that what you meant was that there are no good African American super heroes and this forced you to go with a hero of European decent.
There's a little subtext in that idea, though, and I wonder if you thought it through. The subtext, I think, is that our ethnic background is the most important determinant of our identity.
I realize that you can get grief from either denying or affirming this. If you say to somebody "You're ethnic background has nothing to do with who you are" that might make them equally angry.
But I hope that you can take the following question in a spirit of kindness:
Would you say that "It's hard to find a super hero equivalent to Billy Graham because he's a senior citizen?"
Or would you say "This blind pastor would have to be like Dare Devil because he's blind, too?"
Or would you say "There's no good super hero equivalent for this pastor, because all super heros are handsome/beautiful, and that pastor, he's simply ugly?"
I think the obvious answer is no, because there are other things that are valid points of comparison. Being a senior citizen, being blind, or being ugly would not be the most important aspect of a pastor's identity so that you'd have to match them up with an old, blind, or ugly "hero".
(Just for clarity, I of course don't hold that there is anything wrong with being a senior citizen or any of the other qualities. My point is precisely the opposite: we are more than a list of these sorts of qualities, there is more important aspects to compare somebody with than the color of the skin.)
I know that this is all meant tounge-in-cheek. I find you an extraordinaly gifted and funny writer. I just wanted to bring a different perspective to the table.
Tim Keller - Professor X perhaps?
ReplyDeleteyou're spot on. Especially the Driscoll one. I love the guy but I know many who can't stomach him.
ReplyDeleteWe've done quite a few Andy Stanley DVD lessons in some classes at my church and you are right about him too. Not all tha timposing but, man, does he deliver the goods.
I'm new to the Christian world...this post was amazingly informative ans so super-hero cool!
ReplyDeleteJAKES SMASH!!!
ReplyDeletehaha this is so on point!
ReplyDeleteErwin McManus DEFINTELY should be Wolverine...he has that whole brooding dark personality but he is still a good guy
ReplyDeleteWho would Joyce Meyer be?
-MrsHendiii
(I kept trying to sign in, but I forgot my Google password)
If Andy Stanley is Batman... then Louie Giglio must be Robin.
ReplyDeleteOK. I'll take the bait...
ReplyDeleteIf a reader is going to add a blog post to a blog post, I think they should attach their name to it.
So as not to be, if nothing else, perceived as a "ninny."
Man, after the last comment, I'm not sure if I should write this one. How about instead of the Hulk, TD Jakes can be Luke Cage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Cage). He's an African American superhero with Titanium hard skin and incredible strength. Pretty much, he kicks the crap out of bad guys. I think he'd work.
ReplyDeleteI love your list of "superheros" and often that is exactly how they are treated...
ReplyDeleteto anonymous
ReplyDeleteyou're a ninny!
I don't know much about T.D. Jakes, but at the risk of prolonging the whole race issue, I would like to note that there are definitely some very awesome African-American superheros. Black Panther, Steel, and War Machine are all certainly viable alternatives.
ReplyDeleteJust my suggestions.
It's just a shame you were a mere lil' one during the televangelist times of the late 70's and 80's.
ReplyDeleteBut then again, maybe this post would have gotten you in trouble with somebody --- wouldn't want someone to get upset over your blog!
Sometimes....you just wonder.
Great post...hilarious! I am uncomfortable with all the baggage that Jakes as the Hulk brings, though. Yikes! Maybe a better one would work for him?
ReplyDeleteTwo Points to the absolutely great post from another guy who read comic books rather than dating.
ReplyDelete#1 - Green Lantern - Blade - Captain America - D.L. & Micah from Heroes were all of African American descent.
#2 - Where's Bill Hybels (Professor X) and Brain McLaren (Punisher)
I love the Beth Moore/Wonder Woman comparison!!! That was really funny. I love Beth Moore and the way she teaches is extraordinary. But the next time I do one of her studies I am going to be thinking of Wonder Woman in my head...lol. Too funny.
ReplyDeleteI love this blog. You do an awesome job saying some of the exact thing I wish I could say but can't, since a good minister's wife keeps her opinions to herself, well most of the time...lol. Keep up the good work.
^^^ Is thinking way too much.
ReplyDeleteVery, very interesting perspective from Anon I, there; brings back some ideas I was working with earlier this year. However, that is not the reason I am posting this comment.
ReplyDeleteThere are a couple posts that make me laugh louder than others, others that make me think harder than others, but this one makes me smile the biggest as the nerd component of my personality (about 85%) giggles with giddy glee.
Got any D&D references up your sleeve? Heh, I can see there being a very active comments section on that one.
Anon--stop your bellyaching. It's a thing called a joke. I thought the whole thing was funny, and the racism falls to the comic books, if you read what was written here.
ReplyDeleteJon--this was funny as junk!
Love the Rob Bell personification. He is a little fancy and a little progressive...I've never heard "fancy" applied to him, but after so many years of hearing "trendy," it's rather refreshing.
ReplyDeleteSo, if Hancock and the Green Arrow were in the same comic book, would Hancock persecute the Green Arrow? I'm just wondering.
Question - Brian Houston of Hillsong is THE big pastor here is Oz - is he on the radar in the US?
ReplyDeleteWhoever mentioned Tim Keller for Professor X, you nailed it! I nominate N.T. Wright as Gandalf. He's a superhero isn't he?
ReplyDeleteTodd Bentley as He-Man
ReplyDeletelove this post,
ReplyDeleteagree would love to see Piper mentioned.
I am not a comic book person, so most of the characters are lost on me, I will just assume you know what you are talking about.
I'm going to play Anon Advocate here and assert that I think he (she?) was just responding to something he (or she) is sensitive to. Anon I makes some valid points in their post and it's rather well thought out. He (she) could have just ranted and raved about racism and bigotry and yadda, yadda, yadda'd the crap out of some hateful anti-hate speech. Instead we have an articulate observation and postulation (I hope I'm using that word correctly) of social norms and the effects they have on the perceptions of others, most often on a subconscious level.
ReplyDeleteGranted, this is a light-hearted post, and perhaps it's a matter of taste...in fact I reckon it is. So for that matter I see nothing wrong with an informed, thought-provoking comment as it is relevant and Anon knows his (her) comics.
Louie Giglio is the Flash. You know what I'm talking about if you've seen him speak.
ReplyDeleteThat's funny!! Maybe I'm odd, but I got the T.D Jakes thing and The Hulk right away. I think it's a pretty good pair up. What I want to know, is Hancock a new superhero or was he back in the comic book ages too?
ReplyDeleteI am glad your wife is a Beth Moore fan. She is preserving your female readership for you :)
ReplyDeleteAlso...loved this one. I had to IM my hubby and say: "Read Stuff Christians like ASAP" lol.
He has heard of War Machine (friend of Iron Man). Though I think you made a smart choice by choosing currently relevant superheroes.
Love reading your blog!
Love this post.
ReplyDeleteConsidering that your reference of The Hulk was more to personify the character of Bishop Jakes...
...rather than to focus on his race (as an African-American myself)...I didn't take any offense whatsoever by this.
It is amazing how so many can still allow the lens of color to overpower the lens of Christ.
Great post Jon.
But now that I think about it...I am slightly offended about one thing:
Where is Aquaman (Steven Furtick)?
God bless bro!
Hey, they Incredible Hulk is a person of color. He's just...green. No problem.
ReplyDeleteBut if you're looking for a different option for Bishop Jakes, go with Luke Cage.
Ever thought of doing a post about race? Sunday morning is probably when this country (USA) is the most segregated, which is very sad.
SWCL (Stuff White Christians Like)...getting to say, we have black people in our church.
Novel -
ReplyDeleteI am working on a post called "The Token" with an African American Minister right now.
Jon
Is Thor actually a comic book character? I know he's a Norse god and if that's all he is, he's above the superhero status. Then again, we (S. Baptists) especially look at Billy Graham as greater than a superhero, so I guess it still works.
ReplyDeleteLOVED this one! As a comic book geek that's never quite grown up, this one is right in my wheelhouse...the Rob Bell/Green Arrow "fancy" part had me LOLing in my office!
ReplyDeletePerry Noble & Steven Furtick = Wonder Twins?
(Yep, it's a reach...but I can totally see them with rings yelling "Wonder Twin Powers - Activiate!"....and I would so be their purple monkey...)
I started to suggest a Max Lucado superhero comparison and then realized I spent more time in High School making purple then reading comic books. Sorry dude!
ReplyDeleteAwww...I like "Iron Man", and now he's Joel Osteen? Sad times!
ReplyDeleteha ha
Love the comparisons! I wish there was one of those sketch artists out there that could do drawings of the pastors with these get-ups. The next bulletin artwork contest perhaps?
wow...i am not a huge fan of Beth Moore (actually, not a fan at all), but I can totally picture her as Wonder Woman! Nice post!
ReplyDeleteHAHAHA
ReplyDeleteOkay you're totally missing Tim Keller, Bill Hybels and Louie Giglio. You gotta say something about Louie.
Thanks for a good write-up of Beth Moore. Which study is your wife doing?
What's silly about Beth Moore's invisible plane? She totally has one! I've seen it - in all it's invisible glory. I don't know why you would think that was silly.
ReplyDeleteI think Hulk is good, but I couldn't resist....
ReplyDeleteBLADE!
He's African-American.
He's a comic hero.
His first movie alone grossed over $131 million.
Jon, being the true comic geek I am, I'm a little taken back that you never heard of War Machine. =(
Funny post though. Don't let all the hating get to you, my friend =P
Greatest. Post. Ever.
ReplyDeleteI am 6'5, 240lbs and my voice carries into the other side of the building.
TD Jakes is bigger than life in a lot of ways. Because of him, I don't feel like a freak. This is the way God made me and I use the way He made me (booming voice, tall, crazy hair, crazy beard) as a way to reach people.
I get the Hulk/TD Jakes connection and I thought it was perfect.
Of course, like Jon, I grew up reading comics and not really dated. So these analogies were nearly spot on.
OMGosh - I totally just emailed Beth Moore -- YES I DID to tell her that you likened her to Wonder Woman. REALLY.
ReplyDeleteJon, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the Black Panther, he's the King of Wakanda, and has been a member of the Fantastic Four from time to time. He's also married to the ex X-Man Storm. I could so see TD Jakes as a king. He has that royal air about him.
ReplyDeleteOn a serious note, Marvel is currently trying to work ethnic super heroes into the mainstream. i.e. Terrance Howard looking at the silver-gray Mark II in the movie Iron Man and saying "Next time Baby". If the comic industry's ability to create a bevy of bankable female superheroes is any indication, I think there will ultimately be a much better mixture of elasticities/faiths/etc. in mainstream superheroes.
Dear Jon,
ReplyDeleteDon't let the fact you had to explain yourself regarding T.D. Jakes keep you from continuing to be real about what you write about. I, for one, didn't even consider the race issue at all until I had to read your post script and realize somebody had beef. If race issues are always at the forefront of people's minds, it will continue to be a stumbling block, and people will never move on.
Jules
Mmm, for some reason my spell checker changed ethnicities to elasticities. I really don't want more Reed Richards out there, so I apologize to all the rubber band people I may have offended.
ReplyDeleteI kind of feel like Jerry Falwell should be on the list, but I also understand if this list is only for currently-living pastors. I also feel like Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell are somewhat similar in their grassroots-ness (though Falwell was obviously more political than Graham), so perhaps that was the reason to leave Big J out. Or maybe your biggest deterrent was the same as mine: To whom does he compare? I thought of three possible options, but none of them is a perfect fit:
ReplyDelete1. Beast. Much like Hank McCoy, Falwell was massive, played high school football, and, once he grew up, practically lived in a business suit. However, that's pretty much where the similarities stop. Falwell was not reknowned as an intellectual, nor was he exceptionally hairy or blue.
2. Daredevil. Both of their dads were bad-aces (Jack Murdock was a boxer; Carey Falwell was a Prohibition-Era bootlegger). Falwell was often blinded by his own prejudice against certain people groups, corporations, or government policies, but that never stopped him from trying (and often succeeding) to vanquish them (Moral Majority, anyone?). I think this is probably your best bet for comparison, but you do have the same education obstacle as the Beast (Murdock went to an Ivy League school; Jerry got accepted to Notre Dame and went to BBC), and I don't think Jerry knew martial arts.
3. Gambit. This one was really a stretch. Instead of throwing kinetically-charged playing cards at his foes, Falwell would throw out random statements and arguments that opponents knew were incorrect (Tinky Winky is promoting homosexuality to infants), but there was no diffinitive way of arguing against him (we can't tell for sure until they're grown up in 10-20 years), which left them pretty helpless ("Ummm ... we'll get you! In a decade or two, you'll see!"). Brilliant.
As you can probably tell, I only do Marvel (with the exception of Batman who is one of the best superheroes of all time), so maybe if I was more familiar with the DC encyclopedia of characters I could come up with something better.
When can we expect to see the televangelist/pro wrestler comparisons?
ReplyDeleteIt's the Internet. Anything you write will offend someone at some point. If 1-2 people are offended by the post does it really warrant an addendum?
ReplyDeleteI think it detracts from the overall quality of the post. It's like saying "I'm just joking" after every joke.
Now that I think about it, maybe you should say "Just Kidding" after every post.
James Dobson = Magneto
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ReplyDeleteThat's sad that you felt that you needed to write the update. I'm a minority who loves T.D. and found his reference to the Hulk to be on point because of his ministry. I do believe that T.D. can jump from one nation to the next! LOL (Then again, the Hulk pretty much is my favorite character next to Wolverine and Rogue)
ReplyDeleteAnyway...I'm a pest who really wants to know who Joyce Meyer would be compared to! I can't help it, she is my favorite. I love her straight talk.
MrsHendiii
(yeah I still can't remember the stupid password)
I personally thought the Hulk fit TD since he is a big dude. However for those who are caught up on the race deal what about Frozone from The Incredibles?? Frozone is a cool guy (like TD) and he is voiced by Samuel L. Jackson who can also be a tough guy....just a thought. =O)
ReplyDeleteI'll do something really cool if you can make somebody be Space Ghost.
ReplyDeleteFantastic.
ReplyDeleteThe TD Jakes/Incredible Hulk?
Spot on.
This post is a perfect lead-in to the "I wish Robert Downey Jr. was a Christian post."
ReplyDeleteI kinda had Joel Osteen pegged for Incrediboy (aka Buddy) from "The Incredibles".
ReplyDeleteAs for Beth Moore/Superwoman having an invisible plane -- don't know about that. But fellow Houstonian Ed Young has a helicopter that flies him from one campus to another. They're still working on the invisibility factor.
I hate to admit this, but I have an aversion to doing Beth Moore studies because she has become so popular. I attended one of her bible studies at (of all places) Lakewood - the fellowship of excitement! She was funny, touching and biblical. I guess it's just the non-comformist in me that shys away from a Christian mega-star.
Jon,
ReplyDelete'In my head I imagine Moore banging her wrists together like Wonder Woman. Scattering lies and Biblical confusion aside' so that we are no longer upset about TD Jakes and take it as the fun it is.:)
I have worked for/with Ed Young a few times when he speaks at 2nd Houston’s pre-teen camps. He doesn’t use the shield, but something even more scary.
ReplyDeleteA young pup (maybe 11 y/o) was asleep in the group of 2000 children... Ed stopped speaking, pointed at him, made his neighbor wake him up, state his name, and apologize for falling asleep…. in FRONT of 2000 people!
If that doesn’t scare the kid into faith, I don’t know what does. (Sarcasm...)
Not his biggest fan, he wouldn’t even let the team I worked for or any other people use the door he used into the theater.
Jon Acuff as ?????
ReplyDeleteI think Jerry Falwell would be more like an evangelical Magneto.
ReplyDeleteBeth Moore wouldn't fly back in her invisible plane. She and her faithful sidekick Keith would drive back in their invisible Suburban (that way she could stop for Starbucks!) ;)
ReplyDeleteAnd I LOVE Mark Driscoll as Hancock. That was my favorite superhero comparison :)
perfect.
ReplyDeleteEd Young (Jr., I assume) does not technically hail from Texas! (But we'll keep him anyway.) Ed Jr. was in college in Florida playing basketball when his dad moved to Houston (from South Carolina) to take over at SBC.
ReplyDeleteThose of us who are NATIVE TEXANS (no matter where we now live!) guard this high honor and distinction closely. (Don't mess with Texas :-)
if we have to include jerry falwell, miss hannah, how about if we make him the sta-puft marshmallow man?
ReplyDeleteTo Anonymous from Australia at 7:07
ReplyDeleteNo. i've never heard of Brian Houston. nor have many/any of my friends. though hillsong makes a blip on the radar if only b/c they export crazy amounts of... music.
but dont feel bad that we dont pay much/any attention to Brian Houston... he's probably not that important anyway considering the only christians who make jesus smile are from the US. we're kind of a big deal. :)
rob - don't have a clue as to what this means, but my new fave phrase is yours...."i would so be their purple monkey." tremendous
ReplyDeletemiss hannah, thanks for the gift. yyou actually mis-spelled a word!?! definitive. congrats. it's hard for us grammar-philes to relax and just type.
jon, used to go to ed young's fellowship of excitement. and boy does he get excited...about numbers. he and osteen have the ongoing smackdown of who can be houston's biggest. one has the biggest arena (uh, sanctuary) and one has the most branch offices (oops, campuses).
Wow. As a person who has been asked 'what are you' my entire life, I say race is a very small part of who I am. And what is funny is my ethnic look causes people to now wonder not only what I am but what my husband is and the children do not have a chance. I am a very dark skinned white girl married to a black man who is in the very middle of his 'high yella' mom and crispy dark dad. Our kids are a good mix of us. No one has a clue usually and it has never defined us. Although it has given us a lot to laugh about. I totally got TD Jakes being the Hulk and I am sure Jon realized TD is not green, but black. People often trip all over themselves trying to be PC around my family. I try to let them off the hook by letting them know I already know I am white and my husband is black. We learned that about each other after our first baby.
ReplyDelete"And Billy Graham technically does not have long braided blond ponytails or carry a war hammer like Thor."
ReplyDeleteUh ... you don't know Billy Graham like I know Billy Graham. ; )
Actually I can get on board with all of these. Well maybe not Ed Young or Andy Stanley, I have not idea who they are...
ReplyDeleteO.K., so first off, (and I realize how silly this sounds) it wasn't my intent to post anonnymously. My old computer somehow got ahead/behind of me. As I was typing in my url in the name/url section below the word identification thingee it was kind-of light, and so I wondered about it, but actually didn't give it much thought.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate everybody's thoughts and observations. To judge by a few reactions, I think I must have come across angrier or more opiniated than I intended. So I'll offer a sincere apology to anybody who was annoyed or offended.
The only thing I'd like to repeat from before, is to "Milan Ford"...
I think my whole point is that we shouldn't be looking through the lense of race, you're exactly right.
I was focusing on the sentence "OK, which African American superhero would you have picked?" From the original post. I was honing in on the idea that this seems to imply that ideally the ethnic background of the super hero would match the ethnic background of the pastor. It seems to me that trying to match ethnic background to pastor gives too much importance to "race", and that as we find counterparts the skin color shouldn't be on the radar.
I hope, Jon, you'll really hear me that I get it that this is tounge-and-cheek, I'm not at all thinking that you're racist or any of that.
Oh boy! You better clear the blog lines cause you are about to have some serious Beth Moore traffic!!! I don't know why I never thought about the invisible plane, and the whole fighting off lies thing!! Thats JUST like Miss Beth! I love love love her cause she love love loves our Jesus.
ReplyDeleteYou do have to come up with one for Erwin and Bill Hybles though!!
Judy
ps. I knever even gave the TD Jakes thing a second thought. He DOES look like the incredible hulk and I bet TD would like the comparrison.
this was awesome, jon. i didn't get to comment earlier in the day when i read this, but i went skipping off to my car thinking about it and smiling to myself because it tickled my rib cage. :)
ReplyDeletei totally got the hulk/jakes reference right away . . . the guys are big, and they're strong, and they both could throw cadillacs through windows.
as for beth moore, i'm thinking she still deserves her own post. and isn't she from louisville?? my church is doing a beth moore simulcast in august, and she's being broadcast live from (what i thought was) her ministry headquarters in louisville, kentucky.
um, i think this is a moment when our in-house rep, STACY FROM LUHVULL, needs to come on down and set us all straight.
i like the comment comparing hybels to Prof X - esp. since hybels is the granddaddy/godfather/mentor to the megachurch movement.
ReplyDeleteas far as the t.d. jakes as hulk issue: 1) hulk had his intellectual side - he wasn't always on 'hulk smash' mode; 2) i don't think i'd wanna get t.d. jakes upset with me either.
hmmm, mmmm. Speaking for Wonder Woman here (see the Avatar?), she doesn't raise her voice. OK with that said, I love Beth Moore and since there are pretty much no other female super heroes that I know of, I understand your choosing WW to compare to BM (I bet she hates her initials - ha!). Anyway, I enjoyed reading it nonetheless (is that supposed to run together or read "none the less"? It's my late afternoon-need-more-caffeine-to-get-me-through-the-rest-of-the-day hour.)
ReplyDeleteI wanted to see who Joyce Meyer was!LOL
ReplyDeleteI think Erwin definitely needs to be added. This may be a stretch because Jackie Chan is not actually a comic book hero but Erwin is really beginning to look like him. Maybe this could be its own post: Leaders and their famous twins.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Tim Keller needs to be on here.
ReplyDeleteHe is like the up-and-coming famous pastor.
p.s. Thanks for cracking me up every day.
Awesome. This is too funny. Btw, I attended Northpoint while I lived in Atlanta. I'm a little partial to Andy Stanley as well.
ReplyDeleteBill Hybels? Brian McClaren? Dobson?
ReplyDeleteAll three famous, all three very, very, very different.
Billy Graham with long blond braids . . . yeesh! Thanks for the mental image, Jon. Now pass the brain bleach. :-)
ReplyDeletemy family goes to ed young's church in houston...one of the campuses anyway. that's funny he was mentioned. i live in another state now, and go to a church of like...300 people. it's a drastic change. in a good way. one of the best thing about big churches is the unlimited resources when it comes to missions and outreach...but it lacks something...the members don't have a relationship with the leader of the little flock they're part of. having a well-known pastor is cool.
ReplyDeletehaving my pastor know my name and being available to get coffee if something is on my mind...way cooler.
I also read comics, well more Phantom comics. So I would say 'Reinhardt Bonke' is the Phantom, lives and leads Africians.
ReplyDeleteAlso I would say Joshua Harris is more like Spiderman, hes weedy, geeky but powerful and a bit of a wise guy.
Also... what about John Piper? Could he be Beast... another very strong intellectual? True, he's not blue, but he is quite intelligent and eloquent at the same time. Maybe I'm stretching. Alas, I am no superheropastor.
ReplyDeletetoo funny. i agree that john piper should have been included as...inspector gadget? oh wait, he's not a comic superhero...oh well.
ReplyDeleteOkay, the person from Australia I know who Brian Houston is and love his preaching. He has been to our church to preach before. I think I would compare him to Gambit partially because of the accents. Even though Brian Houston is Aussie and Gambit is cajun when Brian Houston was here in Baton Rouge he had some good cajun food so he was adopted as a Louisiana cajun. Also, I just think he is supercool and charming which is also Gambit.
ReplyDeleteNow as far as Joyce Meyers I would actually compare her to Storm. Storm is straightforward and lets it all out. She is a leader of X-Men and keeps the team in check. That is what Joyce Meyers seems to be to me, she is a leader who keeps things going and keeps it all in check. Some people say she gives you the Momma tell it like it is preaching, but I think in some ways Storm is like that too.
Okay so those are my comparison and who I thought first.
Piper is Master Splinter?
ReplyDeletesuperhero may be a stretch but I think it fits.
I disagree with your Superman assignment. That honor should go to John Piper. :)
ReplyDeleteBanjoandro:
James Dobson = Magneto--spot on!(even though JD is a psychologist and not a pastor :)
Abby
Note to Texas:
ReplyDeleteWe in greater Looavull are not trying to mess with you. As much as we might like to steal and/or take credit for your beloved Houston resident (Wisconsonite by birth) with the unfortunate initials, we understand that she is just doing the simulcast from here.
Like Jon, we understand that messing with you is ill-advised. So you also won't catch us trying to take credit for Joel Osteen, Max Lucado, or Chuck Swindoll, who were born there, or T.D. Jakes or Ed Young, who merely got there as fast as they could.
Worm from Just across the River from Louisville.
James Dobson = The Punisher (get it? disciplining children? ... oh well)
ReplyDeleteChuck Swindoll = Professor X
Beth Moore as Wonder Woman? Wow. Yes, I can see her in a bathrobe in a hotel. Hair flat. No makeup. Then she opens her Bible and twirls around with outstretched arms like Linda Carter did and *SHAZZAM* ... she's in a cute trendy casual, yet business-y outfit with her hair "just-so."
Ok, I thought about this for too long ...
Is it wrong to say that I soiled myself a little when I read this? This post was awesome! Well thought out, and incredibly accurate.
ReplyDeleteThank you for making my entire week with this post.
How coincedental that the day after you make this post this article comes up on Black Voices (my favorite web news site)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/06/30/top-25-black-superheroes-of-all-time/
I don't think the superhero should be chosen by matching skin color or nationality, but here is a bunch of other superheroes that could be used for anyone you forgot...because for some reason just like with any hit song, a remix can't be too far behind.
hilarious, a lot better than the GI Joe one, i dint kno the gi characters too well
ReplyDeleteCraig Groeschel as Spiderman, didnt see that one coming...heehee...can't wait to let him know he's Spiderman.
ReplyDeletedude you're the best blogger i've ever read. you should write a whole book of this stuff. i hate reading blogs mostly, but i'm gonna read yours everyday. don't change anything, and ignore the negative anon comments.
ReplyDeleteLoved this post, but you should do a villians guide to famous pastors. THAT would be interesting.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'll get you started: Osteen = Joker. That was too easy.
Genius post. Just subed to your rss feed.
ReplyDeleteOr should Billy Graham be Professor X?
ReplyDeleteI like the post and have no problem with TD Jakes being the Hulk, but if you're looking for a more popular African American superhero, did they eventually make the Green Lantern African American? Maybe he could be Tony Evans though...
ReplyDeleteMy husband (pastor) and I thought this post was your best EVER! We totaly agree that TD Jakes = The Incredible Hulk!
ReplyDeleteWe LOL when we read Erwin McManus is Wolverine.
thanks for the laughs. We look forward to your next super hero update.
"SHA-ZAAMMM!!!" "Great Scott!!!" "Holy Smokin' Comic Book Pastors!!!"
ReplyDeletePK + Comic Book Super Heros + Illustrious Pastors = Dynamic Combos...
A few we'd like to see:
*Dennis Rainey - Mr. Fantastic (F4's Dr. Reed Richards aka~Stretch)
*Hank Hanegraaf - Professor Charles Xavier (X-men Mastermind)
*Justice League/Super Friends/Avengers:
(Chuck Swindoll, Max Lucado, Greg Laurie)
"...Up, Up and Away!!!"
Jessica..........that's it! I was trying to figure out Joyce Meyer and the Storm is just great!
ReplyDeleteAs for the TDJakes / Hulk issue....I'd love to have Mr. Jakes check in with his opinion. He DOES read SCL doesn't he?
I don't know if you'd include him, but Todd Bentley as Sgt. Slaughter (there was a GI Joe comic). Also, how about John Hagee as Colossus? And since I'm in the old-school X-Men, Joyce Meyer (earrings) as Dazzler, or Jubilee?
ReplyDeletedude!!
ReplyDeletewhat about craig gross?!?
he is like my favorite pastor of all time what superhero do you think hed be??
McManus is Wolverine? THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! This is probably one of the more awesome posts I've ever read on a blog in my entire life. (Although I speak in hyperbole, I mean every word as much as I possibly can.)
ReplyDeleteAlthough funny and timely, Hancock isn't from comics, isn't really a superhero, and will be forgotten next year. Wolverine was SO Mark Driscoll, how could you MISS it? First there's the height, the scrappy and surly attitude, and the claws. And don't forget about the body hair...
ReplyDeleteI think Todd Bentley would be a better Hulk. However since Hulk is taken how about the Thing. I can seriously see the Thing kicking some old lady face and dropping the leg. When picking super heros that guy has to make the list because when he walks in something is going down!
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding me with the politically-correct TD Jakes/Hulk crap?! Excuse me while I gag.
ReplyDeleteWhy are people afraid--yes AFRAID to say anything about people of color?! Geez, stop frickin' tiptoeing all over the place! If Jon thinks TD reminds him of the Hulk, then so be it!
Ugh! No, seriously, excuse me while I gag.
Hahahaha. This blog is awesome.
ReplyDeleteI love the idea of NT Wright as Gandalf and Tim Keller as Prof X.
"I have read comics for 20 years and never heard of War Machine."
ReplyDeleteWow.
I guess you can read ad nauseum and still miss something. I watch like 30 movies a month and I still have never seen Porky's.
Charles Stanley himself not good enough for a superhero position? Sadness. I love him. I'm kind of a young fogie though... I love hymns.
ReplyDeletejustmarian: Charles Stanley = The Incredible Mr. Limpett
ReplyDeleteHmmm, I'd have thought Joel Osteen's more like Lex Luthor (from the Smallville TV series):
ReplyDeleteRich, powerful, but terribly misguided and doing harm because of that...
Where are all of the more progressive liberal superhero pastors? Why is your list so heavy with the conservative types?
ReplyDeleteHow about She-Ra, Princess of Power for Joyce Meyer?
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