I don't get a lot of hate mail. In more than 300 posts, I have received only a handful of comments from people that sincerely don't like me. But every now and then I get someone that wants to judge the blog.
I am cool with that. I think we need to discern and discuss and analyze. That's good and I am going to make mistakes that need to be fixed. The challenge is that sometimes it's so easy for discernment to mutate into judgement. And also, it's really hard to know when someone has done a quality job of judging you.
That's why I decided to hold the first annual Stuff Christians Like Judgment Olympics. Not only is it topical in this Olympic year but I think it will give you something great to say back to someone that says something judgmental to you. Imagine yelling "Gold Medal!" when someone in your small group says something unkind to you. Dare to dream Jon, dare to dream.
Here are the events:
1. The "I used to"
You've just confessed something that is going on in your life and the person across from you pauses and then says, "I used to do that a lot too before I really connected with God." Ohhh, I used to is a powerful, powerful phrase. What this does is set up that the person you're talking with has moved beyond what you are struggling with. When they were a sweaty Philistine they used to do what you are doing, but now that life is angelic that just don't do that anymore.
Gold Medal
2. The "I'm with God."
The best thing to do when you really want to judge someone is draw up sides. Make sure you take the side of God first which automatically puts the other person on the side of satan. Sound extreme and like something that doesn't happen? It does. Here's what it looks like: "I understand what you are saying, I guess I'm just going to go with God on this one." Or, "I'm not telling you my opinion, I'm just telling you what the Bible and God say." The implication is that you're not disagreeing with the other person, you're disagreeing with the Alpha and Omega. Which does not feel awesome.
Silver Medal
3. The "half and half"
This is probably my favorite one. In this form, you give a fake compliment, followed up by what you really feel. For example, if you don't like a certain minister you might say, "He's got a great ministry, unless you feel that learning about the Bible is important." or "That's a great song, if you don't mind devil music." This the equivalent of waving your hand around to make someone look at it while your foot kicks them in the groin.
Silver Medal
4. The "Judgement Squared"
This one is kind of funny. Sometimes people will judge me for being too judgmental. That's like swimming in the ocean next to me and telling me that I'm wet. Hey, wait a second, you're wet too, I want to say. If you ever angrily, aggressively say the sentence, "who gives you the right to judge?" then you've just won yourself a medal.
Bronze Medal
5. The "for me."
This is similar to number 2, but does not have to involve throwing the God card directly. Let's say I write a post about some kind of worship music that I think is overplayed in church. Someone reads that, and then says, "I guess for me, worship is about communing with God and not my own narcissistic sense of enjoyment." That sounds a little extreme, but I once got in an argument with someone that read my completely silly post about holding hands and then accused me of probably not liking to touch the homeless. We ended up working it out, but the initial implication was, "You don't like interlinking fingers with people at church? For me, touch is about loving others like Jesus. Why do you hate the homeless?"
Gold Medal
6. The "one percent"
This is when someone or a ministry does 99 out of 100 things right but makes a mistake on 1 thing. Instead of celebrating the 99, you judge the 1. Like the comment someone left about the lady from Jon & Kate plus 8 wearing short shorts on the show. I don't know that she ever has, but I do know that they do show their faith to millions of people and that if I had 8 kids I would probably wear my shoes on the wrong feet I would be so busy with everything else. You could easily argue that I am guilty of this one with my post about prosperity ministry. Maybe I failed by mentioned the minister's Rolls Royce when that church has been said to give millions away to needy people.
Bronze Medal
7.Obscure Verse
Your friends don't live their lives by the second chapter of the book of Joel. They should, but chances are, they don't. But sometimes, when they want to prove a point, they just Google some crazily obscure verse and then casually quote it like they've always loved that passage about the locusts.
Silver Medal
I think some of the things above, when done in love, can be helpful and honest. But when they're not, I think you and I deserve a medal. At least I know I do, because judging is something I struggle with.
Monday, June 23, 2008
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Great post this morning to the SCL library of posts... I love the half and half part
The "I'm with God on this one" totally places me completely in the right while smacking you upside the head.
I guess Jesus didn't really say not to be judgmental. Just that the game is quid pro quo.
Man your post come just in time! I just had to defend myself against a family member on my blog. Check it out at: http://pursuitofmeaning.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/commenting-on-an-interesting-reply/
Being judgemental is something we all probably struggle with. Instead of relying on my own limited wisdom concerning the subject I will defer to on of the greatest quotes of our time:
Franky say: RELAX
So before placing a comment on SCL let's all try to ask ourselves W.W.F.D.? Trust me, this can change your life. I'm thinking of having bracelets made up because I find there aren't near enough 80s related anti-judgemental products on the market today.
Other bracelets available for order will be: I roll with the Rolls, Footloose Face Kick, and the reversable bracelet that says, side one: hymns are for real Christians, and side two: Jesus (hearts) choruses. Find them on e-bay by searching "Stacy's Full of Crap".
I think we all struggle with judgment. After all, we're meant to discern and one day we'll judge the angels...so in some sense it is innate. But we're all practicing and fine tuning and learning to walk the line.
You know, we should think of it like learning archery. It may be best to practice with targets rather than people. That way, when you're wanting to just shoot the apple off their head to give them a quick and decisive warning, you won't accidentally kill them dead.
I wish I had something more creative to say than "great post," but this one is a great post. I think the 99 to 1 and half-and-half are the most insidious. It's amazing how much damage we do to one another while not actually promoting the Gospel at all. I think the devil (grammatical middle finger reference) loves it when we're distracted by judging one another, because it keeps us from doing what Christ would actually have us do.
Oh, and is "Sweaty Philistine" in the SCL dictionary yet?
stacy from louisville . . . once again, you rock. that was awesome.
jon, great post. loved it. spot on, man.
Stacy, I don't believe we Christians could endorse someone like Franky. Wasn't he, um, of an "alternative lifestyle"?
Plus Hollywood. We can't like anything from Hollywood.
Plus relaxing is for satanists (Is that a capital S?). We can't afford to relax what with all the judging we must do. There's so much to judge in this world.
So, I'll have to go with God on this one and refuse to endorse Franky.
"I'm not telling you my opinion, I'm just telling you what the Bible and God say."
This drives me NUTS!!!!
We don't get it much at my congregation, but I've debated people who used it on themarriagebed.com. Well, not really 'debated' since they usually weren't actually listening.
2 Tim. 2:15 talks about the work and skill required to rightly use the word of truth...it's a useful verse to remember
I once had someone say "I'll let the holy spirit convict you on that because the bible says not to judge". I didn't think that was very nice.
Good post.
I liked this post. I just can't think of anything clever to say, but I wanted to let you know I enjoyed it.
Ooh, I don't know, man. The "what the Bible and God say" argument has been used a lot in some rather judgmental letters to the editor in my local paper. It stings like crazy. Maybe it should be a gold medal?
My fave is when someone thinks your being judgemental and you ask an opinion and they say "I dunno I dont pass judgement" Um yeah ya did!
I'm pretty judgemental and I struggle with it but dont give me the ol holier than thou please.
This is off topic but what about addressing the Christian Chords - G C D. The Three chords used in every worship song on guitar. If they don't fit, just use a capo in order to make it work with G C D. Because G C D stands for, "Gesus Christ Died" or something like that.
I use the "used to" line, so I'm gonna have to revisit if I'm doing it judgmentally. Cause my purpose is always to say, hey, I've been there before myself and this is how I got out of it. As in, yeah, I've rolled around in that mud pit and now I've moved on to another mud pit. Or - I found a ladder out of that mud pit and sometimes I use the ladder, but sometimes I just hang out in the pit. (Is this getting too confusing?)
Point being, I'm just trying to relate and offer help, not judge. But your post makes me think I need to be very careful to make sure that people know I'm talking out of love, not judgment.
I personally like it when people preface their judgemental words with a "God is telling me to tell you...". As if to imply that they are now infallible and can hit below the belt because they apparently heard straight from the Father. Or even better is the judgemental exhortation. When someone says that they feel you should be doing something other than what you are doing or something you used to do in ministry because you were so good at it, i. e. you should definitely get back involved with worship. We need you up there. You are so anointed when you lead, blah blah blah. In other words, the decisions that I make to be involved or not be involved in areas of ministry were apparently made very flippantly and with no regards to my "gifts". And since I am not up there doing what you feel I should be doing, I am just laying at home watching tv all day, backsliding and neglecting my "gifts" altogether. I don't think people even realize how much they judge and try to tell other people how to run their lives. And they always try to soften the blows with some sweetness. Here let me put this pillow up to your face before I hit you with this 2x4.
Anyway, wow seems like I am a little judgemental about people who are judgemental. I will go back and reread the entire post now for my penance.
You know, I think that post was a bit judgemental of us judgers. For me, judging is just about God's righteousness. You can choose for yourself, but I'm just going to side with God on this one. Doesn't it say in 3rd Josiah that the righteous will judge the rest, then go throw frisbees in the park? That may be a paraphrase, but I know the big guy would back me on that one.
Just kidding. Great post.
"I'm not telling you my opinion, I'm just telling you what the Bible and God says."
I don't say this out loud ..... I just think it to myself. I'm just keeping it real.
I don't think anyone should get a medal for the Half and Half. I think they should be disqualified. It's the human growth hormone of ministry.
Judgment - yeah that's a hard one. Usually it's not your blog itself but some of the comments that require me to take a moment and tell myself to relax. Maybe I should comment... maybe I really shouldn't. I think sometimes it's less of a temptation to judge and more of a drive to let our opinions be known. So, some people think it's evil to have a TV in your bedroom if you're married. If my husband is fast asleep and I'm wide awake (which is EVERY NIGHT) how is it harmful for me to get my Letterman on in the comfort of my bed? And should we also ban reading novels from our bedrooms? What's the difference? TV in the bedroom is not "remotely" harmful in my marriage (pun intended).
That was just a goofy example, but it becomes harder when there are things mentioned that are very personal/painful in your life. I had to let the "ART" conversation go the other day. Obviously I think it's important to share some of my thoughts in my own struggle with infertility since I write a blog about it. Infertility is my "thing." I've come to realize that unless you've walked in someone else's shoes you really can't judge their decisions. Apart from what is specifically stated in God's Word, I have no idea what may be right or wrong for someone in a particular situation. I have not personally sought ART... yet. It has brought hope to many people like me. We all struggle with moral "gray areas," and this is where I have to work on not judging others, just as I don't want to be judged by others.
Sorry for the long post and many topics!
PJ, I love that you admit when you're wrong. That's ministry.
I struggle with judging, but I'm getting better, I think. I've learned that many of us who judge others harshly judge ourselves harshly (as in hold ourselves up to unrealistic standards). We all are only human.
*grunts of affirmation*
i totally think the "I'm with God" one deserves Gold medal. it doesn't get much worse than saying you disagree with God.
Ha ha! Tami, good point! I've heard the "Letting the spirit convict you line" so many times, it's ridiculous. Of course, I'm guilty of it myself, but reading it?
man. that's a harsh one.
The Disagreeing with God one reminds me of Jane Eyre.
I always wanted to smack that guy. XP
I think the one where you quietly start avoiding whoever is "in sin" without ever speaking to them about why you're judging them should definitely get a gold medal though.
elaine: i can totally relate to what you're saying. i had the same reaction when i read that one about "i used to," because i do that a lot to express empathy to those i'm talking to, especially if they're being vulnerable enough to share their struggles with me. it's said first with a desire to empathize and relate, and second with a desire to say, "hey, if it helps, here are some things that helped me learn my way out of that pit. it may or may not be the same for you, but i know it really helped me."
but i agree . . . i want to reflect on whether that demonstrates some kind of judgment spirit or not. i think perhaps, rather than judgment, it might convey a bit of "let me show you because i now know" attitude . . . like somehow we've gotten a corner on the market of how to deal with that particular struggle, simply because we've been there and God helped us through it. except that not everyone's situation is the same, and God will use different things to reach and heal different people. what worked for one person won't necessarily be effective for another.
you know, it occurs to me that i may be expressing something here that isn't even what you meant. (in which case, am i doing the "i used to" thing again??!)
anyway, thanks for bringing that up because it's helping me think through it more, too.
i struggle with wanting to judge people that i ascertain are judging you... hm.
Oh man... definitely pulled a "for me..."
That one caught me.
I just tell people that they're going to hell if they don't change. Is that bad?
These are all very funny, but my fav is #1. I've heard this SO many times. I think there is a difference in telling someone that you've been through a similar situation (in humility) and having the attitude of "I used to do that, but then I became a better Christian." You can definately tell the difference.
I know I struggle with being judgemental, myself, at times, so I should shutup now.
BTW- On #5 you mentioned the hand holding thing. Don't worry, I'm with you on that- I hate having to hold hands in church. Hate it! Judge me if you want to...
Great post, Jon. I struggle in this area as well, and I always need a reminder. :)
You know, I used to have a problem with judging others, but now that I'm down with my homeboy, Jesus, I can see how this post would be relevant if you still struggle with that kind of thing. But for me, it's all about constructive criticism because we all need to give our 100% to God like it says in James 6.
Crap...I shouldn't have skimmed over the middle of the comments...
I have not been reading your blog for long, but so far I like it. I do sense that you hold back, and it could be much funnier if you would let the snarkiness fly harder. But Christians are a tough bunch, and like to eat their own, and participate in the judgement tournament on bloggers. I say, quit worrying about the prosperity piece, or people with their naysaying, and go for the jugular! :-)
--Joann, a Pastor's Wife who is used to being in the fishbowl.
No wonder I’m perpetually hearing the National Anthem of most of the Christians I hang with – they’re all vying to bring home the gold. Wait a minute…. That’s my anthem too.
Does ironing sharpening iron refer to becoming strong enough to fend off the judgmental attacks of your brother? Perhaps this iron is why it has become veritably impossible for me to pass through security checks points without setting off the alarm. Or is it the medals hanging around my neck?
Loved this...as usual.
I like to call the "I'm with God" the "Jesus Trump Card". You can never win an argument with someone who throws down the Jesus Trump Card...
I had this happen to me today. We've decided to find a new church (after months of prayer, searching the Scriptures and seeking wise counsel), and I got an e-mail today saying that we are being used by Satan to rip apart the fellowship. There's no possible way that we're following God's leading for us. Because we're leaving, we have to be a tool of Satan.
Haven't read all the other 308 posts, but if you haven't covered being a Tool of Satan, it'd be a great topic.
#7 Obscure Verse... Okay, this isn't funny! I'm not joking! One of my life verses is Joel 2:25!!! That God would repay for the years the locusts have eaten... It had to do with my past... and years of my life that had been seemingly "wasted"... that God would take those years and use them for His glory... and so He has!
I'm really not kidding! but I'm also NOT judging you!
I used to struggle with judgement before I prayed about it.
Why do you hate locusts?
Seriously the funniest post I've ever read. Great blog bro, keep it up.
This is a lesson God has been working with me on for a long time. I think as Christians we are going to tend to be more judgmental than others. This can be especially bad when we judge each other. We can never fully know what is going on in a person's life so how can we judge. I have been a victim of fierce judgment by our church members who thought I didn't attend church enough, never mind that I have four kids under four who were sick all winter. Guess what? None of those people have four kids and work full time, so what basis can they have for judging me? And they are reading this site and my blog to see if I am talking about them. I am! You know who you are. Great post Jon.
However, if at any time while judging you say "I'm only doing this out of love," you are disqualified for the use of illegal performance-enhancing sentences.
This sentence is to judgment what "I'm just saying this so you'll know what to pray for" is to gossip. It gives the user an unfair advantage over the opponent and has many detrimental side-effects to spiritual health.
I concur with JML. You should love someone enough to tell them they're going to hell...
Stacy: not to judge, but "Frankie" said RELAX, not "Franky". I ought to know; I had the t-shirt. But I agree, we all should be asking ourselves, WWFD? Answer? (Based on another commenter) Um, he's going to hell...
Great post, Jon (for me).
What about Christians who think if you're sick, you're not right with God?
I have struggled with depression and anxiety disorder for half my life, and on a retreat my senior year, I was told that I wasn't a good enough Christian because I was having a panic attack about getting in a rickety canoe and going out in the middle of a lake.
I know that Jesus walked on water, but I can't swim. And I don't think he was scheduled to make an appearance that day to walk me to shore should I fall out of said canoe.
I'm absolutely guilty of the "one percent" game. Isn't it amazing how easy it is to find fault with an organization staffed by volunteers? Reminds me of this grace thing someone once told me about...
The "used to" nearly made me break out my favorite choke hold. Our church was being used for a funeral. As as per our typical ministry, we were providing after visitation refreshments. At my table, four visiting pastors started "debating" me about their view that the King James Version was the only authorized version in English. It's fine that someone feels that way, but they were arguing out of ignorance, which I'm sure does bad things to my blood pressure. The discussion was winding down with no progress - major surprise - when one pastor said, "I used to use the NIV, before I became spiritual." I confess that instead of turning the other cheek, I turned on him not quite screaming asked, "Are you saying that I'm not as spiritual as you because I don't use the King James?" It wasn't very pretty and he took a stammering fit. And oddly enough, those pastors don't talk to me any more. I guess it's because I'm not spiritual.
Haha Dan, I'm cracking up over your G-C-D joke!!!
This topic might warrant a "serious" post from Jon too... I don't know about the rest of you guys, but the thinness of the line between discernment and judgment is one that haunts me quite frequently.
Jon...so what you're saying is that I need to drop my stone? Ahhh, yes...Guilty & guilty. Thanks for the reminder. Love your writings.
Love this post, Jon! I once heard someone speak on this subject. He reminded us about how
satan stood before God accusing (judging)Job (Job 1) and satan stood before God accusing (judging) Joshua (Zech 3) and how satan, in Rev 12:10 is called 'the accuser of the brethren.' And isn't it true that he comes to us and judges us, "Ha! you call yourself a Christian? Look what you did today -- you're a hypocrite; two-faced!" So the speaker told us that when we judge each other, WE become the 'accuser of the brethren,' in other words, we are doing the devil's work for him.
That's scary!
Honest question to the group. I am judgmental by nature and struggle with this issue.
How do you balance "judgmental" with "iron sharpening iron". I am a firm believer in accountability and don't want a "wuss" friend who is afraid that I will think they are judging me when they should be holding my feet to the fire.
PJ, I appreciate the serious/sarcastic balance of this post b/c I've seen the harm of being judgmental (I too am a Preacher's Kid). However, how about a post on how to score being judgmental versus sharpening iron (ala the metro worship leader).
Any other comments from the group would be welcomed.
Dear Jon,
The only reason I post a comment is because you do moderated comments, so I know you'll actually read this. I mean, on your blog, a comment is like a drop in an ocean of comments! Good grief! I see - 93 comments, I think 'should I comment on that one? Hmm?'
But I wanted to say, it's all about JEALOUSY! I haven't read the other comments yet, so if this is redundant, forgive me. I got jealous when I found your blog - the prolific writing, the plethora of comments, the huge number of profile views.
I realized that you are a brilliant writer, and you just know stuff, stuff that I don't know, and I just had to face it. I just had to come to terms with it like a grown-up, and not whine.
The only difference between me and the people who wrote those dumb judgmental comments is that I had the sense to know that I was being jealous and not to give in and do anything stupid.
It's hard to argue with genius. So, just don't let it bother you, and go on with your blog, and we'll all be happy, I mean, most of us.
1. It seems like politicians love playing the "I'm with God card", albeit indirectly. Meaning, somehow they get the media saying "they're with God", and use it to their advantage.
2. Obscure verses are the way to go, man! (that one made me chuckle a good bit.)
Yes, #2 is greatness. These are really funny.
The half and half is equivalent to the southern "Bless your heart." For example, although, I've insulted you by saying "You look funny", I will follow it up with "bless your heart" and make that little insult all better.
Wow! This has really been on my mind recently. We pass off a lot of judgement and criticism under the name of discernment, and that's not what God has called us to. We are to love each other. That is how people are to recognize us. Instead, we are often too quick to shoot each other down. Where's the logic in that? I know I am guilty, and never more so than when I feel that I am being judged or criticized. It's hard not to respond in the same spirit.
Anyway, thanks for the post.
I think I've been judged lately with a saying that wasn't mentioned yet. I've been told numerous times within the past month that I need to decide if my actions "Glorify God." I understand that I exist to glorify God but I also realize that I can't sing psalms and read scripture all day. Do I glorify God when I sleep or should I stop doing that too? I wonder if you've written about this yet.
This was a great post. I went through 9 years of my parents being in basically a Christian *cult*. This cult loved to judge everyone for everything. Down to exactly how many pets were acceptable and how you cooked your crawfish etouffee. It was a home church with like a total of 15 members. Anyway, my normally loving parents became very judgmental and my family and I were the target of a lot of it. It was a very fine line with disagreeing with them and not being disrespectful. Thank God, they are now out of this church, and back to their normal selves. It did make me see judging people in a totally different way. I was more judgmental than I wanted to admit. I still struggle with it, but usually just in my head, I usually manage to keep my mouth shut.
I have realized that even if your judgment may be accurate, it is rarely your place to say anything. If you really feel you are right, pray for that person that God will reveal this truth to them. And do NOT *share* your opinion with anyone else. I have found that I have so many areas that need dealing with in my own life, that I really need to focus on my own sin, not everyone else's LOL
I absolutely love you.
I do.
Hilariously true.
Back in college (I went to a Christian College.. and not just ANY Christian College.. we were way holier than the Christian College down the street... We had MANDATORY chapel five days a week and everyone got a second major in Bible..yeah.. we were THAT holy.)I went to a little Christian party and I didn't know most of the people. Well I don't remember what I even said but it must have been dripping with sarcasm because some girl I had just met and started talking to decided to tell me that she too "used to be a very sarcastic person until she repented of it." Man that ended up being a GREAT party...ooops.. I should probably go repent.
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