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Friday, June 20, 2008

#305. Arguing about what a "real" ministry is.

A while ago, a stranger called a friend of mine connected to a church. She heard the church was supporting a ministry in a foreign country. The ministry is pretty simple. A girl we grew up with moved to another country and is loving the street children there. Handicapped kids in this particular place are discarded on the street, so she takes them in and feeds them. Many of them actually take the name of the ministry as their own last name since no one wants them and will give them a last name.

But the stranger on the phone was unhappy. She had been to the country in question and felt that the ministry was not doing good work. She claimed they were acting like a celebrity charity organization, not a ministry. My friend knew how poor this ministry was. How many street children it was housing night after night. Something about the phone call was not adding up.

Finally, the stranger on the phone showed her hand. The big issue, the one that was really driving the concerned call, was that this ministry, although Christ centered, was not teaching the gospel the right way. They were not winning people to the Lord directly enough.

My friend took a few breaths, paused, and then said the kind of thing that if I ever start a church I will give out awards for:

"OK, but they are saving kids from getting raped, beaten and starving. They are giving kids a place to live. And it's tough as a child to worry about other things when you don't have a safe place to exist."

The call ended a few minutes later with the woman vowing to investigate this ministry quietly when she went back to the foreign country. My friend got off the phone. The night was over.

I think that phone calls like this happen because we sometimes argue about what a "real" ministry is. For some people, the process of becoming a Christian has a beginning and a very distinct end goal. The beginning can vary, but the end is always that you get saved. You convert. You give your life to Christ. That is the end goal for some people.This woman on the phone thought the ministry in question was not focusing enough on the end goal. They were spending too much time and money and energy on other issues, like feeding homeless children.

I have a really hard time with that. I honestly would love if you read this website and instantly become a Christian. In all seriousness, there is nothing in my own life as important as my relationship with Christ and if you started one today, that would be great. But if you don't, I refuse to see that my ministry, if that is what this is, has failed. I am perfectly fine with being a middle part of your journey.

Maybe the entire point of this site is to show you that not every Christian is a humorless, tankini wearing, boycott loving, close minded jerk. Maybe the point of this site is to show you that God is not out to get you, He's out to love you. And maybe you won't become a Christian for another ten years. (My wife wears a tankini by the way. I am cool with that suit.)

I like to remember that when Jesus fed the massive crowd with the fish and loaves in Mark, it doesn't say, "and they all become followers." Not at all, it says instead, "they all ate and were satisfied." I think it's OK to love someone by feeding them and clothing them and sheltering them from the streets and rape and homelessness. I don't think God is shaking His head at us for not "converting" them instantly.

I don't want to be that lady on the phone. I want to see you as a person that Christ loves, not as a conversion number for my excel spreadsheet of evangelism. And if I have ever treated you that way, or criticized another ministry for not converting enough people, I apologize. I hope the prosperity piece I wrote didn't do that, but I am mistake prone, so it's certainly possible.

p.s. I wrote something new last night "For me, using drugs wasn't the real problem."

48 comments:

  1. AMEN! I'm in ministry in the UK totally understand where you're coming from!

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  2. I think as Christians, we're programmed that salvation is the end goal. I think we forget sometimes that God is the one that ultimately does the saving--we're just advertisement to buy the product. If we're lifting up Jesus' name in every aspect of our lives, He'll take care of bringing all men unto Himself.

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  3. "Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these ---"

    Keep your ministry going, Jon.

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  4. I have these verses rolling around in my head. I think they fit the occasion.

    "Defend the poor and fatherless; do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy; free them from the hand of the wicked." (Psalms 82:2-3)

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  5. St. Franscis said, "Preach the Gospel always. When necessary, use words."

    These people are preaching the Gospel always by protecting and caring these children. Their actions are their proclamation. Then they explain their actions using words.
    Not everyone comes to Christ because the right bible verse touched their heart at the right time. Some will come to Him because they are loved by His followers, and will understand that as being loved by Him, and will then listen to His words and believe in Him. But first comes love...


    BTW, I think your word verification is telling me to restart a diet. It says pugdeeie, which, of course, is pudgeeie mispelled!

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  6. Speaking as someone who's been in church leadership, I was amazed by how many people thought they had the "right" to tell the leadership and staff how to do ministry because they tithed. Apparently, they weren't giving it to God as they are commanded to, but just "loaning" it out with conditions, wanting to hold on to control of how's it's being used. We've done away with directed giving completely to avoid this issue.

    You'll like this: the SS group of 50 and 60 year olds were so mad at us getting rid of directed giving they threatened to take the nice cushy chair they "bought" for their SS classroom and leave. Talk about taking your ball and going home...and we wonder why non-Christians don't think we're any different...(sigh.)

    BTW, I'm diggin' the 97 seconds site...keep posting there regularly, or I'll pull out the Richard Marx references again...

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  7. A friend and I started a "local outreach" ministry in our church, not necessarily related to evangelism. It soon was hijacked by those with a more evangelical bend. We never named the ministry but mused over this one:

    Salt IN YOUR FACE!!!!
    a ministry of Jesus' love

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  8. You know, we sit in church every Sunday and if the pastor goes five minutes over and our tummies start to growl we get all upset and can't focus on the message anymore. How in the world do we expect starving, hurting, endangered children to focus on a message of salvation when their basic physical needs aren't being met?

    You can stand on the street corner and preach hellfire and brimstone all you want, and it may or may not be effective, but we are commanded to meet the physical needs of the suffering. A hot meal and a place to sleep may be the most powerful sermon that person will ever experience.

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  9. sounds like a good ministry to me, like Mother Teresa.. all she did was make a hospital for the dying so they could have a place to be other than the streets. Sometimes it is only in one particular aspect of life that a ministry can commit it's full focus and exceed.
    Ministries don't always need their own publishing house and thousands of mailers sent each day, or it's own website.

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  10. This site is TOTALLY your minitry. And I'm glad you take it seriously.

    Let's be real - Jesus didn't instantly convert people. Right?! He healed people, and didn't say "not go tell people that you love and believe in me, and that you have everlasting life, and they should join you." No. He just told them to go and tell them what happened. That's it.

    I believe you posted before on how Jesus wasn't the kind of person that left fake-money-tracks on the table at the restaurant for tip, and he didn't walk through the mall singing Chris Tomlin songs at the top of his lungs. He just LOVED people.

    God is love. So you do what it takes to love people. And YES that includes helping the homeless and hungry. How do people miss that?!

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  11. Since we all appear to be getting our quote on, here's one for you, Jon. Maybe it doesn't exactly fit the spirit of the post, but I've always liked it:
    "If a writer is so cautious that he never writes anything that cannot be criticized, he will never write anything that can be read. If you want to help other people you have to make up your mind to write things that some men will condemn."- Thomas Merton

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  12. Great post, people will always take digs at "ministry" they don't understand or is not their preferred choice.

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  13. A couple years ago I picked up a teenage mother and her 18 month old who were struggling to walk down a busy road during a snowstorm. As soon as they got in the car, I could tell the mother was deaf.

    I was able to gather that she needed to go to Walgreens for some medication, so I took her there and then back to her home.

    Later I lamented that I didn't even get to tell her what church I went to, much less share the gospel, because of her hearing impairment.

    But my father-in-law reminded me, "The good Samaritan didn't share the gospel with the hurt man. He just took care of his needs."

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  14. AWESOME post Jon. I agree fully with Hannah and others: we are simply the advertisment. It is impossible to go through life as a Christian feeling like you have to "SAVE" people as you go along. I remember feeling that way as a child, being misguided into the belief that I always had to talk to my friends about Jesus and try and save them. Really, the only important thing was showing them what real friendship and love was all about, and then letting Jesus take it from there. I believe he calls us to Himself. He is faithful!

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  15. Good post. I'm in favor of feeding people and preventing rape.

    Note: I'm the OTHER Helen, we didn't post twice. Well, "we" did, but individually we only posted once each... nm.

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  16. As someone who has struggled for years with not seeing direct "results" in ministry, I can totally relate. Does the number of people coming to your ministry determine its worth? Never. All that matters is that we do two things: love God, love others. Loving others can certainly mean telling them the gospel, but that's not all that it is. Jesus cared for physical needs in the gospels to show people that he was different from the Pharisees. Sometimes loving others is just being Jesus' hands and feet, going where He wants you to go and working with your hands to do His work.

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  17. The whole time I was reading this post I was shouting "AMEN!!!" in my head. (I work for a Christian foster care/adoption agency and I deal with a lot of potential parents that think if they can just get this poor abused/neglected child SAVED then all of their problems will be fixed - this SO frustrates me!) But, then I realized that I go so far out of my way to defend the message that we should focus on walking the walk and NOT preaching AT people, that I end up using it as an excuse to never really share my faith verbally. I tend to knee-jerk to the opposite extreme. As with most things, we have to find that balance.

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  18. I hope that you don't think all girls who wear tankini's are closed minded. Tankini's are actually cute and modest, in most cuts. I dunno, I just don't feel like that sentence flowed all that well... because wearing a tankini doesn't make you bad.

    Honestly, you try messing with a one piece swimsuit when you have to go to the bathroom really bad. You'll make a switch to a tankini right away. It covers everything you want to save for your husband, and yet allows you to answer nature's call. It's quite a nice invention. I bet the world could use a few more tankinis. It makes for one less nearly naked girl in a bikini when wearing a tankini.

    Personally I'm a fan of modesty, God asks us to be modest and mysterious. Sure the world is over-sexed, but that doesn't mean I have to adhere to there rules. And that doesn't mean I'll love somebody any less because they choose to wear a bikini. It's really one of those things where you have to answer your personal convictions. Mostly I just wouldn't want to wear anything that would cause a brother in Christ to stumble. That's my main priority. And I'm not convinced that makes me "closed minded" at all.

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  19. Our guys bible study was talking along these lines last night. One discussion question asked what kind of attitude should we have when calling people "sinners" (Luke 5: 27-32).

    We got onto this point of when it is appropriate to spread the gospel, and our discussion focues on the life we live.

    Street kids will see something different in the lives of the people helping them out. They'll approach them about it when the burning desire to know is there.

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  20. Good post. Actions do speak louder in ministry so often.

    As for you, it is important to show that we can have the courage and humor to look at ourselves from different perspectives. Keep on, Jon!

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  21. I remember my pastor saying once, "If our church can be known as one thing, I want it to be known as the church that loves." Love people and they will see God in you.

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  22. Very well spoken. Thank for this one.

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  23. I also say amen. One thing that excites me about where Christianity is going in the U.S. is that we are finally starting to get (it took me a while too) that there aren't two competing gospels (the social vs. the "real") but that the true gospel is bigger than either of those. It seems Jesus was pretty passionate about this "Kingdom" thing, and oh yeah, he also taught us to pray that it would come to earth!

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  24. Some evangelize directly. Some serve the old folks. Some take care of the children. Some preach to the converted. Some sing. Aren't all of them important?

    We all think that OUR ministry, our particular gift is the most important. When our pride hijacks our faith, though, it is always vitally important to re-read 1 Corinthians 12-13. That should put a damper on things.

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  25. "Excuse me, sir, I'm not going to give you any food, or offer you any assistance, or give you a place to come in from the cold, or buy you the new coat and boots that you need, or stop you from getting beat up, or help you break your drug and alcohol habits...

    ...but would you like to hear about my wonderful belief that made me such a kind and helpful person?"

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  26. This brought back haunting words from my past: "para-church organization." NOOOO!

    On a more positive note, was it not Jesus Himself who healed the lame man and THEN told him to "go and sin no more?"

    Just a thought.

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  27. i had started a record label that i called "ministry" and every time one of the bands on my label visited a church to play, they were given 20 questions about if they were really about the ministry or just trying to play rock stars.

    Eventually most of the bands just couldn't deal with it, and broke up.

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  28. James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

    What surprises me about phone calls like that is that people think they have a right to judge someone else's servant. (Romans 14:4)

    I think it has to be a both/and with ministry. The greatest need that anyone has is the need for God's love and guidance. But, if we have God's love in us, we will long for opportunities to defend and provide for the helpless. Some ministries focus too much on evangelism and ignores the fundalmental physical needs of the hurting. Others focus too much on social needs to the neglect of the only Hope people have of escaping eternal separation from Christ. It takes both. But the awesome thing about Christians is that we all can work together according to each individual's passion and giftedness. You get someone passionate for providing for orphans working with some passionate about evangelism, then you are going to to have something incredible!

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  29. Shortly after God called me into ministry, he gave me the awareness that the word ministry involves so much more than we thought. Let's not put God in a box ... or even church for that matter.

    Can you imagine being hungry and someone walking by you, not giving you anything to eat, but saying, "Jesus love you. Give Him your life" and walking away?!

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  30. A friend referred me to your site as I have been posting on similar attitudes I have come across in my efforts to practice compassion. We can't let those attitudes deter us. We need to become compassionate people. We can be smart about it, but we need to be compassionate.

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  31. i applaud the efforts and attitude of the ministry mentioned. a lot of people, including myself, are really turned off by the ulterior motives that christians have with "ministry" work, and it is refreshing to hear another side of it. helping people to live a higher quality of life is something we can all agree is a worthy goal, even if we may disagree as to what components are necessary for that change.

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  32. Thank you so much for this post. Ministry does not always equal evangelism. I am headed on a mission trip in a couple days of encouragement to people who already have relationships with God. There are other things they need that my team can give them. This is an ongoing ministry that reaps blessings for us and for those we serve. I am not a great evangelist, but I have the tools for encouragement. That is where God has called me, so that is good enough for me.

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  33. since we are "getting our quotes on", as someone previously said; here's mine:

    1 Corinthians 3: (The Message)

    "I planted the seed, Apollos watered the plants, but God made you grow..... Planting and watering are menial servant jobs at minimum wages. What makes them worth doing is the God we are serving."

    We all have our places on the road of each person's life........sometimes we won't see the harvest until heaven.....

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  34. AMEN AMEN AND AMEN!!!!!

    Did I say AMEN???

    Oh my gosh, did you hit the nail, so to speak! How the heck did evangelical churches lose their focus on people to focus on numbers of souls saved?? It has always bothered me. If God ever decides he wants me on a mission trip, I hope I get one like this one. Helping people in their everyday life. Period.

    I don't want to make them listen to a sermon before they get to eat. I don't want to sit there and preach to them while I'm helping them get basic shelter. I just want to feed them and give them shelter and make their lives HERE better.

    They'll know I'm a Christian. They can ask me about my faith if they're interested. But I don't want to preach to them. I just want to help them.

    I believe that is what Jesus called us to do. Over and over. And again.

    Thanks, Jon. Thanks again! thanks for your ministry. I have no idea how you can write so much and how you are able to hit those nails, but keep it up. You're feeding all of us.

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  35. My favorite "real ministry" argument is about whether money should go to the 10/40 Window, or whether we shouldn't worry about all those people overseas because "we have so many problems right here at home." This in another one of those stupid dichotomies that ignores the fact that both are important and God loves people in both places. Sigh.

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  36. Princessofsomething:
    "You can stand on the street corner and preach hellfire and brimstone all you want, and it may or may not be effective, but we are commanded to meet the physical needs of the suffering. A hot meal and a place to sleep may be the most powerful sermon that person will ever experience."


    Amen.

    I'm glad you wrote about this Jon; the first few times I was ever exposed to the love of Christ, I wasn't sitting through a sermon or hearing someones testimon. Our pastor gave us food, mattresses, and spoons. I was 12 years old,and we had just found an apartment after being homeless for 9 months. 7 years later, I am convinced that meeting a physical need portrays the selfless love of Christ in a way that not much else can. I had never met someone that gave me something just because; that was just unheard of, and I recognized a different way of living that I wanted everything to do with. I wish more ministries would talk less and do more...

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  37. I wanted to tell you that I've been thinking about this post all day! Thanks for writing it. When I read comments like Kirsten's it just speaks volumes about what ministry really is. I believe verbal witnessing and lifestyle witnessing are both important and can be most effective when used "properly" or with the correct balance.

    Oh, and thanks Allison Leigh for sticking up for us tankini wearers! :)

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  38. OH MY WORD!!! Christians can be the most judgemental people around - me included. See - I'm in a ministry EXACTLY like that. My ministry includes taking kids to church on Sunday but - more of it- is teaching them there is hope in the world and they don't have to stay in the ghetto and how to make right choices because parents where I work at don't do that. I show them about God's love by example because as your friend said and I havce said many a times - if kids don't have a place to live, food in their cupboards or someone who loves them - how can they even comprehend someone who loves them unconditionally when their own MOTHER doesn't?? How can they understand that God is the answer when they are sleeping at different houses each night - or they have a mom who allows their boyfriends (or tricks) to do whatever to the daughters so they get extra money and can buy drugs... I love these kids because of the love Christ has shown me. Through that - the parents ask questions and the kids ask questions and they get to see what Christ is all about. The end result is NOT salvation but there is a LONG stairway to climb before we get there. And an even longer one AFTER! The end result should be watching them live a Christ Centered life and in turn - helping others do the same. Salvation should be the beginning of a much bigger thing for them.

    That's one thing that always bugs me - people think just becuase someone accepted Christ - life is good and they will know exactly what to do in every situation. HELLO!!!! There's more work to do AFTER salvation than before!!!!!

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  39. Posting so late that probably no one will read this, but Jesus did say "Go and make disciples..." not converts. I wonder how many disciples the lady on the other end of that phone call has made?

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  40. As a stay at home mom and a minister to the bereaved, I get this "not a real ministry" thing a lot. I don't share the gospel with those who come to me devastated from the loss of a child, not for a while, and never in the classic 4 spiritual laws way. First I just hold them and try to help them find a way to live through this.

    I do share the gospel with my kids, but most of our day is spent changing diapers, learning to read, playing Legos, swimming (in my tankini*grin*), wiping noses, making sandwiches, saying no, and reading "But Not The Hippopotamus" for the 5000 time. And yet I get calls from others asking me to do ministry at the church. "Real ministry" apparently involves doing it under a church umbrella with a four spiritual laws book in your pocket and never forget it has to have numbers that grow.

    Sigh...I'm glad you wrote this but so sad there is a need to point this out.

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  41. Someone probably thought that walking down the street with a 8 foot cross on wheels, passing out sandwiches wasn't a "real" ministry.

    However, 8 years ago, I was strung out, hungry and someone gave me a sandwich. No speech about God, no nothing. Just said here and kept moving.

    I couldn't believe anything was truly free. Especially from a Christian.

    3 or 4 years later, I finally got saved. However, that sandwich was the first thing that got through to me, even a tiny bit. It was a picture of grace.

    You don't have to quote bible verses every three feet for a "real ministry"

    Thanks Jon.

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  42. Thank you for this post. It addresses in a round-about way another issue that Christians deal with-- comparing missionaries to "normal" people, or judging people who aren't involved in a traditional looking mission. As you pointed out though, simply reaching out in love to the people around you-- regardless of where you are or who they are-- is what Jesus called us to do.

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  43. Take a look at any story of Jesus in the Gospels. Jesus ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS met people's physical needs first, THEN their emotional needs, and THEN, and only then, their spiritual needs. He knew that people aren't open to anything unless they feel cared about, loved, and respected. I find it ironic, and a little disturbing, that we (most Chrsitians) have the tendency to think we can do it better.

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  44. Throughout all of these comments there are scriptures that talk about our responsibility to evangelize as well as help the poor, needy, widow and orphan. BOTH/AND not either/or...

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  45. Matthew 25 (the sheep and the goats) says it best:

    "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

    "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

    "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'"

    ...But I preached at them, so I'm okay, right?

    I heard it said that our priorities should be our neighbors' bodies, and our own souls. Too many people get it the other way around.

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