During the late 90s, I got caught up in swing dancing. I know that sounds silly, but one summer a series of different things kind of collided in pop culture that made it impossible to ignore swing dancing. Brian Setzer had a big album out, the Big Bad Voodoo Daddys had a popular song and the movie Swingers was kind of sweeping the nation. So with very little awareness of what I was doing, I often found myself swing dancing at some bar in Birmingham, Alabama.
After a few weeks of doing this, I met a girl that I started to dance with regularly. Night after night we would dance for three hours together and then disappear into our own worlds. Finally, after enjoying each other's company for a few months, we decided we should go on a date. She suggested we go to church together.
I have mixed emotions about "church dates." I think church is a good thing. I think dates are a good thing, but when you combine the two, what you are left with is often quite sucktacular. I look at it this way, I like a little mayonnaise in potato salad. I also like watermelon. Individually, I think they are fine foods. If someone ever offered me "a watermelon mayonnaise sandwich" I would probably pass.
The problem with the church date is that right away, you are essentially telling the other person, "I would love to go on a date with you as long as there are a few hundred witnesses in a very well lit, God-focused location that may or may not involve hymns and partaking in the body of Christ through communion." Sounds fun.
Now, I am completely confident that several of you had your best dates at church, that you married the guy that took you on a church date and that you think I must be crazy. I'm glad you had a good time on your church date. I just think there are a few ways we could make church dates even better.
1. Pray that the minister asks you to hold hands.
I am normally against the forced hand hold, but if you are on a date, you should hope that the minister asks the congregation to hold hands. I'm not saying you do the interlink digit thing, you barely know this person, but still it might be nice.
2. Make a church date mix tape.
This is actually easier than it sounds. Just put the song "I can only imagine" on a CD 13 times. Then add one Prince song, preferably "When Doves Cry" because save for the eagle, the dove is the most appreciated bird in Christianity.
3. Take lots of notes during the sermon.
If you don't sing, take extensive notes during the sermon and aggressively greet the people around you when given the chance, you should just wear a t-shirt that says, "This is the only date I will have with this person."
4. Volunteer for the two-year old class.
If the other person suggests church, accept the idea quickly. Then up the ante by calling your children's ministry and volunteering to work the two-year old class that morning. The date is already going to be a little weird, I say just amplify the weirdness.
5. See if the worship leader will give you a synthesizer solo a la Will Ferrell
If you know the worship leader ask she or he if you can do a synth solo during the middle of worship. Then during "How great is our God" you can lean over to your girl or guy casually, roll up your sleeves and say "I'll be right back, I gotta go take care of some business."
6. Tell him you want to go dutch on the tithe.
When the usher comes by with the offering bucket, take it from him like he's a waiter with a bill and say, "We're not together, could we please get separate buckets."
The swinger girl and I never tried to date again. We realized our entire relationship revolved around, well, revolving. But the church date definitely didn't help things.
Wednesday, May 28, 2008
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If you are considering marrying someone, which is what dating should be, then a church date makes perfect sense. I've had enough relationships end because we didn't share the same faith/love in Christ that I want to make sure the next one has that foundation.
Going Dutch on the tithe? That's so cheap! I suppose next you'll be suggesting we use seperate communion cups. *UHG* Men! If you pull crap like that you'd better watch out during greeting time - she may be getting phone numbers and the only person you can blame is your cheap ol'self.
(This can only be made worse by taking her to a "Pot Blessing" instead of lunch after service.)
Haha! Marty and Bobbi Mohan-Culp! That's two consecutive posts that remind me of SNL. We watch too much TV.
I met my husband at church. I guess that doesn't count as a church "date" though. Our first date was to the movies.
Now, see, THIS is why I say you need to start an SCL dating site! It can become the next step in building your SCL empire. Seriously, on one dating site I posted the following description "I would describe myself as a liberal Christian but if I did that I'm afraid I'd scare off the liberals AND the Christians". (Of course by liberal, I simply mean that I don't think it's requirement of Christianity that you vote Republican; if you can do it responsibly, you might not be a sweaty Philistine if you indulge in an adult beverage, etc). I used to think I was unique or didn't fit in with the conservative church crowds OR the non-Christians, but the popularity of your blog has confirmed that there are many more balanced (and in my case, a bit dorky) Jesus lovers out there than I thought. So, now I just need to find one to DATE. Help me, SCL!
Love this post! was there a zoot suit involved??
Sorry Christina, I respectfully disagree; if you're dating to marry it is much more important to see someone outside of church. Character in daily life is more important than churchiness (thats right, churchiness).
Jon, Can you do a post on "puppet ministries"? I admit to wielding a puppet on a mission trip to Mexico back in the day (to a Spanish soundtrack I didn't understand) and doing shows for the kids kamp (our Pentecostal VBS). But some folks get really into it and some of those puppets are REALLY expensive.
My request is partially for personal reasons: My second cousin, who homeschools her 6 kids, has a "puppet ministry", and at Christmas they take family pictures with all of the kids and the puppets and on the years where I forget how many kids (all named after fruits of the spirit) they have, the puppets really confuse me. Is that Faith with some unfortunate facial hair? Wow she's really changed, oh wait, no, thats a puppet...
Haha I think bringing a date to church - when you're in the early dating stages - would be sooooooo distracting. Especially since half of the worship songs could double as love songs...
Oh yeah. I always tried to sit next to or across the aisle from the really cute guy in our youth group just in case we held hands. It works!
"pot blessing"?!!!
I almost pee-ed laughing so hard at that!!
My first date with my now fiancee was to 7/22. Dinner before, Steak and Shake with friends after.
Although most of our friends disagreed on it being an actual date, I believe that buying dinner beforehand and then paying for her milkshake afterwards does make it a date.
I just about spewed my Orange Crush when I read the "going dutch on the Tithe" tip...LOL
That is one of the funniest things I've ever read....
You are so "insightful"....LOL
SCL vocabulary-enhancing word for the day: sucktacular. Love it. I needed a new synonym for craptastic.
I told myself, "don't go reading that guy's blog too much. He's sarcastic, he's cynical, he won't help your spiritual walk." And soon I found myself clicking on Stuff Christians Like and I'm chuckling away. You rascal! Separate buckets for tithing dutch!
I get that you're kidding.
I went to a small Christian college and here's how "church dating" went: When the young man asked the young lady out for a first date, it was usually to some sort of on-campus activity, like a concert or a ball game (intramural - too soon for intercollegiate). If he liked the girl and wanted a second date, he would ask her to accompany him to Sunday morning church, followed by lunch in the cafeteria (it would be bad form to end the date right after the benediction since they were both headed for the cafeteria anyway). Then, if he really liked her, he would ask her the next weekend to go to Sunday NIGHT church with him (since we all know that Sunday night church is where the serious Christians show up). Then, if he really, really liked her, he would ask her to a Wednesday night Bible Study somewhere (there were various ones going on around campus, or hosted by professors in their homes). Wow, if you you made it all the way to a Wednesday night Bible Study, you were practically engaged!
My wife and I often took church dates. I even proposed to her during a prayer meeting. We're separated.
I think church and dates go together a lot better than watermelon and mayonnaise. And truthfully, I think someone on iron chef could make watermelon and mayonnaise work.
don't know if this went through twice or not, but someone from iron chef could make a watermelon mayonnaise sandwich work. Real talk.
Even if the minister doesn't encourage you to hold hands, if you like her I think you should reach for her hand when it's time to pray. It's a good holy sign of intimacy - holintimacy, if you will.
inter digit thing
or as we like to call it
"interdigitating"
as in "we totally interdigitated at the movies last night."
cool? i think yes.
Love-it!
Have you ever written about churches that host Holy Haunted Houses??
Brings up similar memories for me...
Church dates sucked at the church of my youth because I had been ... uh, involved with so many girls at my church that I assumed one of them would try to cause problems and make things as uncomfortable as possible.
I couldn't win. If I tried to avoid all the other youth, they'd notice and come over and be all, Why you acting like you don't know us? If I was brazen enough to just go hang out with them with my date, some girls would be all, Oh, no he didn't?!
Andrea I too am a liberal Christian, but hate the term because like you said, it is likely to be misinterpreted by both liberals and Christians. For example, my wife also considers herself a liberal Christian and believes some things WAAAAAAAAAAY different than I do.
Tap dancing? Swing dancing? Dude, why have you not tried out for So You Think You Can Dance yet?!
"...with all of the kids and the puppets and on the years where I forget how many kids (all named after fruits of the spirit)..."
Wow. She named the fruit of her loins after fruits of the spirit.
Jon,
If you do a post about the puppet ministry, please let me know and give me a couple of days notice -- I'll send you a picture. First, I have to dig around in our church's attic and find a biblically dressed puppet that looks exactly like (as God is my witness) Jerry Seinfeld.
There should be separate posts on church dating by adults/college students, and church dating by teens. Going to church with my girlfriend and her family as a 15 year old - or having her visit my family's church with us - was a different (but very post-worthy) experience from going on a church date with a girl at my Christian college.
My first date with my husband was at church. In fact, we spent the entire day together, and he went to the evening service with me as well. I knew then that he was a keeper. We've been married for 16 years now.
the "interlink digit thing" is actually termed the "love web," according to my college social dance teacher. she said not to do it because you could break each other's fingers if you turned too quickly.
You know George Costanza had some good advice here. "World's are colliding Jerry!"
Andrea, if neither of us ever finds that dorky yet balanced Christian guy, I pledge we can grow old and frequent church rummage sales together. We'll be sure to wear LOTS of old-lady perfume and also be in charge of orange-drink, after dodging kicks to the face during service. Deal?*
*If by "deal", you mean "NO WAY", we're cool.
I started this comment thinking I'd leave something witty and/or smart-alecky, but I came up with nothing, so you get this comment about me not being able to think of a good comment. Yay!
I enjoy your blog immensely. Thank you!
And what could possibly be a better two-date combination than going to a bar, then going to church?
Too funny!!! My fave part, "Sucktacular!" LOL!!!!
Oh, the swing dancing stage...yep, all us "kids" go through that, don't we? Don't we??? During mine, I watched the movie "Swing Kids" far more times than I would like to admit, and definitely OD's on BBVD. Whew! Glad I got over that one before the Lindy Hop took out a hip!
Can't. Type. Laughing. Too. Hard!
I think you mean "Swing kids" - the movie about swing dancing, not "swingers" - the movie about... not swing dancing ;)
Oh that was funny. The last one was the cat's meow!
Sucktacular indeed. I agree totally. My parents *only* let me go to church on a date when i was 15. Hmmmm.. if they had only known how much trouble my church friends and i got into over the years.... it would have blown their whole "protective parent" theory right out of the water.
Swing dancing? I totally got sucked into that too. It helped when the Christian music scene came along with the W's.
Ahh, those were the days.
I agree with the above suggestion from "p"...... puppet ministries definately need to be blogged about... ! I have this vague memory of my junior high youth group putting on puppet performances to songs like DC Talk's "In the Light", as well as other classics including "Shine".....thank you Newsboys.... ! I always wondered how our puppets were supposed to be helping the ten or eleven people that gathered at the local homeless shelter to watch. Weird, weird moments, there with those puppets. I've never seen so many different hairstyles made from yarn.
C Swirl, you and I must have been in the same youth group. I got in FAR more trouble with my church friends than I did with those at school ... I think. High school's a blur.
I found your comments to be very 'worldly' indeed. You completely miss the entire message of the Gospels. We are commanded to Love the Lord with ALL of our heart, ALL of our strength and ALL of our mind, a church date not only makes sense, it IS the only way to go.
I know no one will probably see this, but I had to reply.
Sorry Christina, I respectfully disagree; if you're dating to marry it is much more important to see someone outside of church. Character in daily life is more important than churchiness (thats right, churchiness).
I disagree - Your relationship with God determines your relationship with other people. While it's important to see someone outside of church it's MORE important to know they also have God as the focus of their life.
Our purpose is to know love and serve God in this life and to be happy with him forever in the next. When choosing a spouse we have to consider who will bring us closer to God. A person with a deep relationship with the Lord, who is so in love with him that she eagerly carries out his commands is going to bring her husband closer to God.
As for seeing her in outside of church, that is also important. A person who has a good relationship with God will by nature have a good relationship with her neighbors, since love of neighbor flows from our love of God. However, it is not MORE important, since someone can be widely popular by a secular point of view and have a terrible relationship with God. Even though she appears to have it together, without God as her source she will surely collapse, and if you are married she'll bring you down with her.
Every marriage must have God at the center. Prayer is vital to a healthy marriage and without it the marriage will surely fail by God's standards, even if it manages to succeed by mans. Even if it doesn't end in divorce, the end result of lost souls is far more devastating.
taking a date to church is always awkward, but the situation differs depending on whether the person you bring is saved or not. if you are trying to get your boyfriend/girlfriend saved by suggesting church as a good date location, we like to call it "missionary dating." and it's always a bad idea. but christians love to do it.
Go DUTCH on the tithe?? That's the FUNNIEST thing I ever heard!! OMG! I used to dance salsa and someone invited me to go to church with him, but he lied about keeping me for the potluck afteward. I didn't go out with him again. But I think he thought I wasn't Christian enough--which is totally not true. In any case, one of my readers sent me a link to your blog. Cool, huh? Maybe we should go out on a date and then blog about each other. HAHAHA! That would be funny! I'm going to link to you. :)
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Lets not forget how awkward the people you usually sit near can make your date while they're there. Like a gaggle of well-intentioned aunts at a family reunion date.
Then the always fun discomfort and awkwardness you feel for the next three or four services when said ladies (and some gentlemen) keep asking "Where's your friend?"
Hey Jon,
Thanks for this post. Being in college I have picked up swing dancing and absolutely LOVE it! Thank you for the warning that this could lead down the slippery slope of the church date...now I will no better if it ever comes up! I'll also remember to evaluate whether our relationship revolves around more than revolving. :)
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