Here's how some of my conversations with friends that attend other churches end up going:
Me:
"What's your church like? I mean is it contemporary or traditional or kind of in between?"
Friend:
"It's hard to say, we sing hymns once in a while but the pastor wears jeans."
Me:
"Well dungarees are the universal sign of church relevance. But what kind are they?"
Friend:
"They look like Bugle Boy but I think they stopped selling those and Z-Cavaricci's when the store Chess King went out of business. Maybe they're Eddie Bauer. Regardless, they're old fashion. But the worship leader wears something like 'paper denim' or 7 or some kind of hip brand."
Me:
"Nice, hopefully there's some visible stitching in odd places you wouldn't expect it and a design on the back pockets. I've even seen some rockers wearing ladies jeans. I just don't trust a worship leader in pleated khakis. It's one of the rules I live by and thus far it's served me well."
Now clearly, I exaggerated a little there. I don't care what kind of pants you're wearing as a worship leader as long as you have something covering the southern hemisphere of your body. (That line is going to hurt my readership in the nudist communities that read SCL.) But you have to admit, we place an incredible amount of power in denim.
I don't think this is just a church thing though. Right now I am wearing jeans because it's "casual Friday," which is business speak for "you can wear jeans."
The whole thing is kind of silly. I mean, "Can I wear jeans" is one of the first questions I ask about new churches and I know there are some staff out there that think, "Why does this community not find us relevant? We're wearing jeans up on stage. Jeans!" Hopefully in the near future we'll be able to wear Velvet instead of denim, because I, like George Costanza from Seinfeld, would be draped in it every single hour of the day if it were sociably acceptable.
Friday, May 16, 2008
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Oh yes - velvet! I had some velvet jeans once . . .
I'm all for velvet. Just the other day the Holly Fawder was doing a house call and a genuine imitation red velvet picture of Jesus was noted on the wall about the fire place. The kind lady I was ministering to swore by the Holly picture on the wall that what she said was true. Now that is swearing! Thank God for velvet.
Next step is "Can I wear shorts?!"
Yeah my church is a Short wearing church... but I haven't brought myself to wear them while playing keys in the band... that might be a no-no.
Oh and the pastor usually wears black pants and a dress shirt but no tie.. but does wear dress shoes. hmmmm maybe we aren't as contemp was we think we are...
oh wait yes we are, we allow coffee in church! :-)
dungarees...
chess king....
oy, I can't take it. LOL!!!
*goes to look up Young MC on youtube*
this is amazingly true....
-shawn
If Sweet Baby Jesus is leading you toward velvet don't tarry; it is your spiritual responsibility not to hinder the spirit. Although I would suggest adding a nice gentlemenly hat and perhaps some bowling shoes. And please, for the love of all that is good and kind, pin the draping in socially appropraite places. And when you you're walking the halls at church and you drop your "Scripture Sipper" accidently, ask someone else to pick it up; velvet drape in notoriously gappy.
Jeans...check.
Shorts...check.
Cardinals jersey...definite check in baseball season.
Coffee...check.
and if you don't like the music loud, maybe bring some earplugs.
Otherwise, I think we'd still "meet you wherever you are" even in velvet pants- just don't spill your coffee on them! They aren't cheap to dry clean!
As a worship leader, I wouldn't mind if the "Velvet Fog" rolled through.
For J.J.'s short wearing keyboard playing conundrum: One of the ladies at church sewed a "modesty panel" and velcroed it to the front of the keyboard. It was quite lovely! Now we just need to spruce up the plastic sound barrier for the drummer.
I love velvet too...but I live in Texas where we have 3 seasons
1. Just got done with summer
2. Almost summer
3. Summer
And velvet would make me sweat like a pig. Then people would think I was sweating due to some high level of conviction from the sermon and I'd be labeled for life...
But to the rest of you Velvet lovers, I say ROCK ON!
Honestly, the denim option (kind of like the nuclear option) did free me from a bit when I left a slightly more cons. church a while back. It was more of a psychological badge that I brought into church that dropped my need to be somebody other than what I was.
These days, I find myself making purposeful choices when I leave for church on Sunday to dress down; for the specific reason that I want God to see me for who I am...even if it is in girl jeans...lol.
Have you seen the new Christian designer jeans? They have a cool, BIBLICAL thingy embroidered on the buttocks. Not only that, they have a verse reference printed inside the waistband. Nothing like having people stare at your toosh to tell them your a Christian!
Ah yes, the "designer jean".
I'll cop to having spent $165.00 on one pair of "Paper Denim & Cloth" jeans, and getting some bargains (and counterfeits) on Ebay on some other "premium" brand names.
I now look back on those years (4 years ago) and see how self-absorbed I was, and how those pants were just not WORTH what I paid.
Now I stick with GAP jeans (a comparative steal at only $65-70 a pair) and yes, I wear them to church.
And I will shoot myself before I will EVER pay that much for a pair of pants again... there are starving children in the world and I cannot fathom my previous level of self-absorption. Thank God for his mercy.
Now this may sound rude, but I have yet to meet a worship leader that wore PDC or 7's or some such brand, that wasn't ALSO very self-absorbed and even a bit conceited.
Can you NOT be vain and still pay those kinds of dollars for those jeans? What do you all think?
Ughhh...velvet! It's hard enough leading worship "under the lights" and not sweating like a pig! However, I think maybe we should consider lacy cravats. They'd look nice with jeans and are much cooler!
"I don't care what kind of pants you're wearing as a worship leader as long as you have something covering the southern hemisphere of your body. (That line is going to hurt my readership in the nudist communities that read SCL.)"
It may also get you in trouble with women worship leaders...
Shannon -
Really? Women worship leaders won't like that I suggested worship leaders should not play bottomless? I wasn't saying you had to wear pants. In fact at some Christian schools, that's illegal. Whoa.
Jon
Don't forget the magical power of denim to make woman look modest.
Any girl with a really messed up reputation can throw on a jean skirt while out shopping, and we automatically think she's 'one of us'.
Velvet on the other hand....
Apologies to the hubby for commenting under his name.
The comment from 'Jimmy' is really from me. Please don't think my hubby wears jean skirts.
Oops!!
One of my favorite scenes in Coming To America is when James Earl Jones' character walks into the barber shop draped in lion and the Jewish guy goes:
"This is BEAUTIFUL! What is that? Velvet!?"
Classic.
The reason why "can I wear jeans to your church" is such an important question is because jeans are just the entry way to being contemporary. If jeans aren't welcome at a church, then you know that it is REALLY conservative and you know what to expect.
I'm Catholic, and go to a Traditional Latin Mass (run by a group named FSSP). If I was asked about if our Church was contemporary, it would be hard to explain, that actually, our service has pretty much remained the exact same, language and everything, for about 15 centuries, except for the sermon. I could meet someone from 1300 Germany; we couldn't communicate, but we could pray, sing, and worship together.
Our priest wears a cassock (think something like Neo from the Matrix), and different vestments depending on the time of the year. The general dress is men wear dress clothes and women often wear full length dresses and blouses with altar cloths (a lacy head covering).
While driving through east Tennessee this weekend we saw a huge sign that read, "BUGLE BOY - Now at Family Dollar!" (Or something like that.)
Now you know where to pick some up.
Maybe I missed something, but I never wore jeans until my senior year of college...
Comment on my above post.
Even though jeans aren't extremely common on Sunday, they are regular at daily Mass (Catholics have Mass available every day).
Also, wearing jeans doesn't get one criticized. As long as the outfit is decent, no one really cares. With liturgy and the Sacraments, no one really pays attention to what other people are wearing.
ROFL. I saw this post over on Hugh Duncan's Nuclearity Blog. This post and the comments crack me up! OK, for the record I've worn jeans to church umm . . . about as long as I can remember. But they were alway nice jeans, I kept them clean and holeless (holy you might say LOL) for church. It might also be worth noting I did play the first quart of one of my basketball games in jeans . . . I was the only one in jeans. I changed before the second quart before the refs stared asking questions. LOL
Jon,
on this post, I just had a good laugh! Did the originators of denim have any idea what they were creating, or that it would be our relevancy gauge?
I'm one person God probably doubted would enter his house in denim.
Since late grade school and always worn a suit/sportcoat and tie to church (liked dressing up) and as a matter of fact never ven owned or wore a pair of jeans until after graduating from college.
A dress-up in coat and tie job (Sunday attire) five days every week soon gave incentive to finally try a pair of jeans after leaving office.
Nevertheless, felt self-conscious those few rare occasions (late for Wednesday evening service during Advent/Lent and no time to change) and showed up for worship wearing jeans. About ten years ago blue jeans became standard Sunday morning attire when I took on the job climbing up in the balcony of our stately old Lutheran Church sitting at the keyboards and trying to make music from the forceful wind huge blower fans in the basement pumped into the maze of metal pipes housed in boxes along the back wall. Could never see any point of dressing up after that, people could only hear what I played, bur couldn't see me.
I'm one person God probably doubted would enter his house in denim.
Since late grade school and always worn a suit/sportcoat and tie to church (liked dressing up) and as a matter of fact never ven owned or wore a pair of jeans until after graduating from college.
A dress-up in coat and tie job (Sunday attire) five days every week soon gave incentive to finally try a pair of jeans after leaving office.
Nevertheless, felt self-conscious those few rare occasions (late for Wednesday evening service during Advent/Lent and no time to change) and showed up for worship wearing jeans. About ten years ago blue jeans became standard Sunday morning attire when I took on the job climbing up in the balcony of our stately old Lutheran Church sitting at the keyboards and trying to make music from the forceful wind huge blower fans in the basement pumped into the maze of metal pipes housed in boxes along the back wall. Could never see any point of dressing up after that, people could only hear what I played, bur couldn't see me.
Our senior pastor once wore a pair of jeans to a wedding. My mom told his mom about it. Thankfully he wasn't performing the ceremony of said wedding.
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