Friday, May 2, 2008

#195. Believing bad times equals bad us. (The cocaine testimony)

My life fell apart during the summer of 2005. It was mostly my doing, but there were factors outside of my control that contributed to the internal combustion I felt going on. My marriage was broken. My job was hanging on by a thread. My friendships were surface at best. Wounds I had failed to deal with in the past suddenly loomed neon in my "now." It was like a perfect storm came together and threatened to drown me. It would be sensational to say I was suicidal, but I will say that I started to sympathize with the idea. I incorrectly began to believe for some people that were so far gone, ending a life might be the only escape route.

To oversimplify the last three years, God stepped into the pit and pulled me out. He revived my heart and started walking me through some of the best times of my entire life. Blessing upon blessing has followed that summer and though I often fail to show it, I am incredibly grateful. But, there's a really dangerous idea hidden in those two paragraphs. It's one I constantly wrestle with and I don't think I'm alone. The idea is this:

"When I am bad, God does not love me and gives me bad times. When I am good, God loves me and gives me good times."

I haven't done a post on prosperity ministry and even though I think there are some similarities between this post and that movement, this ultimately isn't about that. This is older and bigger than prosperity ministry. This is a belief I think God has fought since the dawn of time and I think it's one that still punches the Christian community in it's collective face fairly regularly.

This happens in subtle ways. No one sets out to design a works-based God, it just sort of happens. When you do well on a test, your teacher is happy with you. When you try hard in a game, your coach is happy with you. When you do all your chores around the house, your parents are happy with you. When you finish the project early, your boss is happy with you. It's very easy to find examples in our lives of cause and effect relationships. Areas where if we do something deemed as "good," we are rewarded with something good. That makes sense. That is a logical way to look at life. And so we start to naturally and quietly apply that same filter to God. I do it before I speak to large groups. In the week before I think, "I better be really good this week because I want God to bless what I say."

But here's the thing, God is weird. I know that does not sound theological, but He is. He does not operate like us. His ways are different. Sometimes He gives us seemingly horrible things because He loves us. That is a weird sentence that begs further explanation.

I'm writing a book right now called "The Prodigal Son's Field Guide: 101 Things to Do the Day After the Welcome Home Party." I have this idea that most of us live our lives between arrival and exit. That is, we've come home and we're going to leave again unless we do something differently this time. In researching the book, I came across something interesting about the unpleasant gifts God tends to give us.

(If you've never read the story of the prodigal son, here's a one sentence recap: Young son runs away from home to spend his inheritance on hookers and comes back broke but is thrown a party by a father that is overwhelmed he is still alive.)

I missed a word the first 100 times I read this story. The word I am talking about is "famine." Here is what Luke 15:14 says:

After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need.

Did you ever wonder why he needed a severe famine before he began to be in need? I mean he had nothing. His money was gone. His friends were presumably gone. He had nothing and was nothing, but that was not enough for him. He needed the famine to hit rock bottom. He needed the famine as the final straw that broke his stubborn back. And I did too.

The summer of 2005 was my severe famine. It was the moment when I came to the end of me. When I realized that I did not possess the things inside of me that I needed to fix me. I began to be in need. And I now see that summer as a gift from God.

I think God is in the famine giving business. I think in the prodigal son story He gave the son that famine. He funded the downfall by not refusing to give the son his money. Certainly he knew the son's intentions and yet he gave him the money anyway. He even helped create a famine moment for the older brother. Did you ever notice that? He didn't invite the older brother to the party initially. He says get a robe, slaughter a calf but never "and go tell his older brother to come." He broke the older brother by throwing that party for the son and he knew it. When the older brother comes home and realizes his messup brother is back, he angrily says:

'Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends.'

That's not just an angry relative yelling at a father. That is a man standing in the middle of a famine, a moment during which everything he knows about life has been proven incorrect. Good deeds don't equal good rewards. His world is upside down.

Why does God give us famine moments? Because there is nothing He won't do to draw us close to Him. Would the God that killed His son to get closer to us find it too cruel to throw you into a famine? Would the God that watched His only son hang on a cross find it too harsh to bring you to the bottom of a dark pit if that's where you would call out for light? I don't think so.

My wife has a friend with a weird testimony. In it, she says that she is thankful for cocaine. If I had a dollar for every testimony that said that, I would have a dollar. You see she is an alcoholic. She was facing a slow, 30-year death by bottle until she met cocaine. Cocaine fast forwarded her to the bottom. Cocaine put her crash on warp speed. And there in her lowest moment, is where she found God waiting. So she is thankful for cocaine.

Chances are, you know someone in your life that is in the middle of a famine. If you do, please don't try to rescue them. Don't try to force them out of it or Bible verse them out of it. Go stand in it with them. If they are hungry, go be hungry beside them. If they are drowning, let the ocean sweep you up too. They might be right where God wants them. They might be standing in His embrace without even knowing it. Tell them about the gift of famines. They might not understand but tell them that God loves them. And He will do anything to show them that.

Maybe you're in a famine right now. Maybe right now in Houston or California or Singapore or London or New Zealand you're the reason I was supposed to write this. I can't stand in your famine because I'm a thousand miles away but there's something God wants you to know - He loves this. This doesn't have to be about failure. His love is not only expressed through goodness. Sometimes deep love is expressed through deep storms. But He loves you. And if that is the only thing you take from this, then it's been worth the writing.

72 comments:

Jessica said...

Good Stuff! Well put. I love the idea to not 'Bible verse them out of it' but rather to stand with them.

Love this. Thanks!

Diane Muir said...

I laugh like crazy at some of your posts, but I wept at this one. You put into words a reality that I knew existed and never identified clearly. Well done.

Brenda said...

Dude.

How are you doing this day after day? Your words are the same words we all use, same language, but you certainly have a way of arranging them in just the right order... insightful, real, well said times a hundred.

She's thankful for cocaine? Well, then I guess I have to say I'm thankful for a crazy insane inexplicable attraction to someone I could not have and should not want when I was already married to the one so obviously designed just for me. That painful pit is what brought me into God's arms, to a place where I could ignore Him no longer, where I didn't need to run any further.

Thank you.
Again.

Anonymous said...

What a great testimony!

But I think we need to be more careful here. I remember my abusive wasband telling me my dishwasher broke because I wasn't right with God. I don't buy that God zaps 25 year old appliances all the time - I think some things just happen.

Lori said...

thanks for the reminder :)
it was much needed today, more than anyone could possibly know.

Lindsey said...

I love this post. I'm bookmarking it so I can return to it later as a reminder we all need to hear.

God gave me a famine last semester...right along with a plague and a flood, I think. I felt like it was one thing after another, and yet it was all forcing me to draw closer to God than I ever had before, and so I'm thankful for it.

I remember sitting on my bedroom floor crying and thinking, "I need to read my Bible right now because I don't know what else to do," and then praying, "God, I don't want to have to read my Bible to be happy! Why can't I be happy on my own?" Then I immediately realized how ridiculous that sounded. For years I had been asking God to show me how to rely on Him for everything... and He was going to show me, whether I liked it or not. I'm so grateful for that.

G-Kentucky said...

Awesome, simply awesome.

KristenRea said...

I took a similar message away from my reading in Habakkuk yesterday - yes, I was reading Habakkuk. I also went through a mini-drought (not long enough to be a full on famine) last week, and I told my roommate that if one more person quoted a Bible verse at me, I might punch them in the throat!

Mark said...

Best thing I've read in a long time. Thanks so much for sharing your heart. Love your site.
Mark

sweaza said...

wOOt! for this post.




God is not a cosmic version of Pavlov's dog - We can't ring a bell of good works, and expect Him to salivate with blessings. Nor can we expect (as prodigals) that God is just waiting to drop the hammer on his disobedient children.

God's ways, motivations and actions are so far beyond our comprehension, we do Him a great injustice to think we could ever "figure it out."

And think about Matthew 5:45 - "He causes the sun to rise on the evil and good, and sends the rain on the righteous and unrighteous."

Devout Hypocrite said...

I've been in a famine for over a year now and I constantly hear that small voice in my head, the accusing one that tells me "This is happening because God doesn't love you." And though I know it's not true, I still listen and despair. Thank you, Jon. I am weeping (in a good way).

Jeff Brame said...

I love this. I'm not a fan of prosperity gospel, it sets it up as if God is there to serve us, but your right God wants us to be broken so we can seek him.

Anonymous said...

What a great post, I dated a guy from church once who struggled with severe ups and downs and I realized years later that it was just like this - because when he was bad he believed God didn't love him and he used that excuse to spiral downward, keep on doing what felt good because he was damned anyway. But when he was up, his life was a shining star, all was aligned and perfect and he was the model Christian and people thought of him as one of the finest men of high morals they'd ever seen. This was very rough for him (and incidentally for myself and his family) and there was never any peace.

I also had a good guy friend who struggled with porn and women and had similar highs and lows, a non-Christian friend described it as "Madonna-whore syndrome". And it became an example of hypocrisy for his non-Christian friends who observed his struggle.

It makes it difficult to keep God a part of your life long-term. I think this plagues men and women, but for some reason the examples where I have seen it most severe have been with young men. I hope they're reading, because this is so insightful.

*kim said...

Jon, I love reading your sarcastic, hilarious posts. And I laugh out loud, almost every day. Your website has been one of my most exciting finds this past month. :) But your serious posts are even better. I appreciate so much your simplicity, insight, and honesty. You are doing GREAT things with this website. Keep it up. Kim

Jan said...

"Would the God that killed His son to get closer to us find it too cruel to throw you into a famine?"

Wow. Hadn't thought of it like that. But, really, if anyone deserved all good things, it was Jesus. Do we think we're better than Jesus?

Of course, unbelievers might see a sentence like that and flip out! What kind of God kills his own son and then tortures his people? But, He never gives us more than we can bear. Sometimes we need to walk through the fire to melt away imperfections that mask who we really are. When we're in the fire, it hurts. When we emerge, we are thankful, because we finally see beauty.

robyn collins said...

you are standing with so many in so many storms by being consistent with new content. God is giving us alot through you. Thank you for being obedient and sharing this with us...

Christy said...

Excellent point on how we relate our earthly relationships to our heavenly one with the Father. We can't help but compare Him to what we know. Once we do realize that our Heavenly Father is so much greater than our earthly connections, we can start truly living. It took my mother all of her short 55 years to finally accept the unconditional love of God. Praise God that once she did, she lived life with ZEST! Her last year here on earth was by far her greatest.

caz said...

awesome, awesome stuff today. I gotta admit, i'm praying all this praise of this little blog doesn't go to your head so you can keep dishing the gospel as it is being lived out in your life. I was at the bottom, broken and desperate and a good friend said I was "in a good way". When you get to that point and you peel away all the religion that you've hung on your relationship with God, the freedom experienced is breathtaking. What a Savior huh?

tmamone said...

Thanks for sharing that. God bless.

Jeannie said...

Wow, John! I read your site everyday and you crack me up-but this was your best post ever.

Made me tear up. am telling everyone about your site.

vagabond said...

Another post for the "required reading" category. You rock Jon, the way you are bringing the truth to people. You are helping people break the stereotypes this world has placed on God. I can't tell you how many of my friends, and even myself live like the brother returning from the field. Keep on preaching, you're helping more people find that narrow road.

Anonymous said...

I believe God DOES give us more than we can handle.. so we turn to Him. Think about it, if he didn't give us more than WE could handle, would we ever need HIM?

This isn't to be rude to the person who said that. So many people say that statement all the time: "God will never give me more than I can handle." I couldn't handle when my marriage has been on the brink of fritz multiple times.... But God could, and did, and is still working. I'm thankful that he allowed me to not be able to handle a situation so that I could call out to Him to be rescued.

Edelweiss said...

Wow. It's weird, and wonderful, the way God touches us. I wrote a post about this very thing the other day on my own blog. Since then I've come across two other blogs with similar subjecs.

Thank you for sharing. I usually come here for a laugh, but today was touched in a more profound way by this particular message.

The work you're doing here is good.

LunarWorld said...

A friend of mine posted this on his blog earlier this week:

We have all read the story of the prodigal son in Luke 15:11-32. Most of us have heard sermons preached on this; and they all dwell on how "prodigal" the son was. He takes his inheritance and spends it wastefully, and extravagantly.

I think some "religious" person titled this the prodigal son. I think it should be titled the prodigal father. Any idea of what "prodigal" means?

Prodigal=wastefully or recklessly extravagant; lavish; giving or yielding profusely

Can you see where I'm going with this? When the son returned home the father rejoiced and gave to him lavishly and profusely! He kills a "fatted calf" and has an amazing feast.

How much more "prodigal" is God towards us! He killed his Son and recklessly pours out His love on us. Even at the point of our greatest failure and sin, God smiles on us. This isn't a license to sin but rather a point of power to raise us up out of our "muck".


Read the whole post here.

While I appreciate your point of view on this (and obviously your words touched a lot of hearts), I think we have to walk a fine line here with how we express this particular truth.
God allows certain circumstances in our lives to occur - either because our own actions have brought consequences (the natural order of cause and effect that is a law in this ordered universe he created), or because we live in a fallen, imperfect world. I don't believe God "brings" these things to us.

(all emphasis mine)
James 1:12-18
12Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him. 13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. 16 Don't be deceived, my dear brothers. 17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. 18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

Romans 8:28-39
28 And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them. 29 For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And having called them, he gave them right standing with himself. And having given them right standing, he gave them his glory.
31 What shall we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us? 32 Since he did not spare even his own Son but gave him up for us all, won’t he also give us everything else? 33 Who dares accuse us whom God has chosen for his own? No one—for God himself has given us right standing with himself. 34 Who then will condemn us? No one—for Christ Jesus died for us and was raised to life for us, and he is sitting in the place of honor at God’s right hand, pleading for us. 35 Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? 36 (As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.”) 37 No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us. 38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.


So, yes, we encounter famines due to our own actions, which God works for our good to bring us to him. And we encounter famines due to persecution for our faith (sadly, much less common than due to our own stupidity), due to the bad choices of others, or due to the fact that we live in a fallen world. God uses these trials to perfect our faith and teach us to live by the authority that is ours as heirs with Christ.

The loving, extravagant, prodigal God I serve is there with me in whatever circumstance:
Psalm 23
1 The Lord is my shepherd; I have all that I need. 2 He lets me rest in green meadows; he leads me beside peaceful streams. 3 He renews my strength. He guides me along right paths, bringing honor to his name. 4 Even when I walk through the darkest valley, I will not be afraid, for you are close beside me. Your rod and your staff protect and comfort me. 5 You prepare a feast for me in the presence of my enemies. You honor me by anointing my head with oil. My cup overflows with blessings. 6 Surely your goodness and unfailing love will pursue me all the days of my life, and I will live in the house of the Lord forever.

K Storm said...

Thanks for sharing your story.

Prodigal Jon said...

LunarWorld -
As always thanks for the great comment. Sometimes your stuff is funny (you suggested the shot blocker on the prayer circle post) and sometimes your stuff is serious like here. In your comment you said, "I don't believe God "brings" these things to us." The things you were talking about are the famines I wrote about. But in Is 30:20 it says, "Although the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them." To me, the phrase "the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction" feels very straightforward that God gives us famine. The passage continues in 26: "the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted." Again, in this verse we are told that the Lord inflicts wounds. I competely admit I'm not the best Bible scholar in the world, but I have to disagree with your thought that God doesn't give us famines. The idea that God gives me adversity, affliction, wounds and bruises seems like the very definition of what it means to give us a "famine."
Jon

rachel said...

God is light, in Him there is no darkness at all.
Hallelujah and all praise to the One Who uses the foolish things to confound the wise.

GREAT POST!!! It brought tears to my eyes and tugged at my heartstrings. Keep up the good work.

Peapod Four said...

I just have to say thanks for including the part about the brother - that everything he knows has been proven incorrect. That describes my famine. I've just finished reading a book called The Prisoner In The Third Cell. The question at the end is something like 'Will you follow a God who doesn't meet your expectations? One you don't understand?' Like you said, God is weird and His ways are different. At some point we have to come to terms with that. "that good deeds don't equal good rewards".

chris said...

most people have already said this, but i'll say it again anyway. haha... great testimony!

and yes. God is very weird. but that's what makes Him so cool. he knows how to shake things up :)

Pete Juvinall said...

There's a really good song by the group 'the Echoing Green' called 'suffer' that you need to listen to (I think it's on their myspace profile) and it nails pretty much that same idea.

I hit a similar drought in the fall of '06 when a tramatic event happened and I can say that God reminds me a lot of the writers of LOST. There are things that come up on that show that leave you just puzzled, people die, ghosts appear, people constantly ask the question 'Why'.

In the last episode, the writers commented on their podcast that Ben appeared in the desert and they weren't going to say 'Why' because they wanted to give us the satisfaction of a 'long setup'; in other words there's a very satisfying event sometime in the future that puts Ben there.

But the larger story of LOST isn't going to be revealed until the end; a story just isn't a good story unless you know all of it. There, I fancy God as a really perfect writer of our stories and droughts are long setups the reflect his glory and wonder as a writer of our days and displays his complexity in care for us.

Droughts are no fun, but I've seen more of God's character, how much he cares for me and I've let sin fall away. I just wish it were easier sometimes...lol.

Imaginina said...

Loved this post, especially the part about standing in the famine with a friend. Too often when in a famine. we ask friends for prayers to be givena list of things to do to get out of the famine. I am only asking for prayer, not a self help lesson. God puts me in the famine for a reason. He will take me out when it's time. It is much more helpful for my friends to pray with me than to try to fix me.

Phil Hoover, Chicago said...

The problem is that we all have plenty of the "Elder brother" in us.

The real "prodigal" is the son who never left the house...but also who never "came to himself."

Great blog, bro! You have tremendously encouraged me, and given me much to think about!

Anonymous said...

"Do we think we're better than Jesus?"

This is the bottom line for me. If Christ had to suffer some of the worst pain imaginable to fulfill God's destiny in his life, then why do we think we're any different?

I am currently in a famine. My wife left me and filed for divorce because I refused to be the husband God called me to be. It wasn't until this experience that I decided to completely commit to God. This is what it took. Every other attempt God made before this, I willingly ignored. But my relationship with him is now more pleasant because of this rough period than anything I can describe or anything I could have ever imagined. And I believe it will get better. And I believe God will restore my marriage. For me, it took a famine.

Like LunarWorld, I don't believe God gives us bad times. However I believe he allows unfortunate things to happen for our overall well-being. God tells us in Jeremiah 29 and countless other passages that he has no plans to harm us. Ever. But he does allow life to happen at times. And it is in those times that remind us what life is like without God and his favor. He doesn't hurt us. It is against his very nature to hurt us. He loves us. Satan, the world and our flesh hurts us. God is a healer. And is eagerly awaiting opportunities to restore us.

It took a disgruntled wife for my restoration to kick in. And I'm grateful.

Evette said...

Thank you so much. I hit my rock bottom 2yrs ago. You're so right about how even though everything around us is trashed we still sometimes need our "famine" to push us over the edge... & into God's arms. But this spoke to me more because right now my 14yr old sister is struggling with the pull of the world. She's dealing with depression & cutting & even though I know without a shadow of a doubt that God will help her overcome this, my heart feels like it's being ripped out of my chest seeing how she hurts. She said to me the other day "i hate it & i try every second of my life not to let Him get through to having me give up on God's plan for me. it takes its toll & it sucks."

She's beautiful & brilliant & has one of the most awe-inducing relationships with God that I've ever seen. I practically raised her when she was little & I'm moving out of state to be with her but I do have to realize that I can't fix this. I can only be there for her & be a Godly example.

Kenny Gerb said...

It never ceases to amaze me how God will continuely drive home a point given me during my quiet time by some blog post or other conversation. Today in my devo I started the book of Job. I'm reading through The Message and the intro to the Book of Job is in essence what you have posted here. There are so many things to learn from Job. God does sometimes "allow" or "inflict" us with hurts, difficulties, famines, storms, etc...But the point of those are most always so that God can show us his love in a deeper way. One of the first verses of Job comments that everyday he would go out and offer a burnt sacrifice for all his children "just in case they somehow sinned." Isn't that Pavlovian theory? Good behavior equals blessed life. Dang and all these years I've felt sorry for Job and the fact that God decided to pick on him...Naw, God wanted to show Job that it's not about a "religious" experience...it's about naked honesty before the creator of the Universe...wow...I AM THE WORST AT THIS...I think my raggedy ol' good deeds like a show in Branson are going to ensure a great retirement in heaven. And as soon as things get difficult...Oh it must be because of my sin "issues". Up and down Up and down...I get really sick of this ride but I always hop back on for another round.

robyn collins said...

i adore the concept of getting in the pit with them... this has resonated with me all day... i expect it too, permanently. thanks jon

Sarah said...

thank you for this.

Very much, thanks.

Please email me the chapter of the book you are giving out.
Smurph17@students.depaul.edu

www.murphysarah.blogspot.com

Andrea said...

Right now is a toughtoughtough time. I've got very sick parents & in laws & grandparents & aunt & friends' kids, my husband farms & there's no rain and fuel is skyhigh, plus I have a 13 year old, etc. My cell phone stopped sending or receiving texts (which irritates me to no end) but every once in a while I get one, always the same, one from my daughter that says "I am." I delete it, it comes back. I have decided that this is not just coincidence, that those are the words I need to see right now, to remind me that HE IS. And so I am concentrating on that and getting enormous comfort.

Rhys Lake said...

Man that was so awesome! I love how you said "God is weird" it is so refreshingly true. I am all for theology and getting things right theologically but I often find I drown in people's knowledge and intense desire to get every single thing they say in theological terms.

I also love how you said not to bible verse them out of it but to stand with them in it - I've got a friend going to through a pretty massive pit right now, certainly not of their own fault - I'm gonna stand with them in it.

Thanks man, you rock

rhymeswithplague said...

Your sentence, "If you know someone in a famine, please don't try to rescue them" reminded me of something I heard Bob Mumford say over 35 years ago: "If God has put somebody on hamburger, don't you give them steak."

Great post.

Christianne said...

this is one of the most profound posts i have ever read. i am so thankful, in a way i can never fully express, that you wrote this.

have you ever heard of st. john of the cross and his book 'the dark night of the soul'? this is a tiny little book written in the 1500s by an impoverished spanish carmelite monk . . . and it basically says the very same thing you said here in our 21st century language. it's about how God will strip us -- intentionally strip us -- because he loves us enough to do so. that book profoundly changed my life 10 years ago. now the work of my life is about sitting with people in the exact places they find themselves, trying to help them understand their hearts and go before God in that place. thank you for writing this. more and more people need to know this is truth of the heart of God.

CG, E3 & Sons said...

Wow, this really hit the spot. Thanks so much for posting.

- CG

Zena Davis said...

Thank you for sharing with us. You have a real way with words that you put to good use.

Sarah said...

Thanks for letting God work through you...it's fresh, Keep it coming!

Jan said...

jon, thanks for sharing. I believe that sometimes we miss the hidden riches of brokenness. The truth is we are all broken but we just don't all admit it. Hitting bottom helps us see ourselves a little more clearly and recognize change needs to occur. I don't see this as punishment as much as drawing and refining. That said, we do live in a fallen world with sinful people who hurt us. I don't always believe God orchestrates these events, but I DO believe He will use them. Blessings on your journey.

Donna said...

sigh........man.........sigh.....

Anonymous said...

im in houston...and i think you wrote that for me.

Anonymous said...

"I heard Bob Mumford say over 35 years ago: "If God has put somebody on hamburger, don't you give them steak.""


WOW! That really spoke to me.

Meliss said...

I've enjoyed your posts on this blog and they've been good, but this is the best.

Matt said...

Amazing Post. I linked to it in my post on May 2.

bluemountainmama said...

yes.... love it. very insightful. i always have had a problem with those who think we have to correct someone's 'problems' or sinful behaviors before they can come to God. i firmly believe God meets people where they are and then goes from there, christian and non-christian alike.

i don't recall ever reading about Jesus' using guilt. he met people with love....

kaytie said...

I live in Houston...and I found your site through someone else's blog...but your words were exactly what I needed today. I work at a school where many of the students have suffered so much already in their very young lives. Today, one of my sweet 4th grade girls wept over the reminder of seeing her mother shot and killed right in front of her at the age of 5. What do you say to that? I was able to let her know that her loss was not a punishment, but that God will show His goodness to her through her pain because He loves her. You said it beautifully and I just took it and put it in 4th grade words. Thank you so much.

brenna said...

Either you believe in an omnipotent God with a plan, or you don't.

Aaron Matthew Kaiser said...

Wow. This really resonates with what I've been espousing for a while, blogged about yesterday and going to follow-up blog today. I think I might reference it. :-)

Thank you for blessing me with this post.

[ Aaron ]

Anonymous said...

Thank you. That "bad thing happened to me because I did something wrong" mindset is something I've struggled with for a while--even though I know that's NOT the way God works. Thank you for this.

Toiling Ant said...

You pretty much summed up the winter of 2004-2005 for me (and unfortunately, mini-famines in between, when I have had to relearn [and relearn AGAIN] the lesson that my circumstances do not indicate my blessing or status with God). Thanks for putting it into words so well.

kirsten said...

all i can think to say is 'thank you'.

i often have to remind myself that God is good even when it hurts. maybe i need to amend that to say: God is good *especially* when it hurts.

bring on the famine.

Anonymous said...

Man this post really is awesome. While i dont feel like im going through a famine moment right now, I am living in New Zealand (thanks for the mention btw), so it totally spoke to me anyway.
But seriously this'll be one post i come back to over and over again when i need reminding of how true it is.

Gabrielle Eden said...

Jon,

this post defines you. The depth of your faith shines through and the love you have to offer reaches me.

Shannon said...

I think I am going through a famine right now. It's hard to look around and see people being blessed with babies and have that voice inside my head saying, "If God really loved you, he would bless you too."

I never thought too much about the older brother, but what you said makes sense.

Anonymous said...

I really struggle with understanding a God that would purposely send a famine. I've never looked at it like that. I just gave him the benefit of the doubt and believed he was simply using tough situations to teach me. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that he purposely orchestrated the death of both of my parents on the day of my daughter's birth...or my husband cheating on me... Sure, these things brought me to rock bottom and back to a more genuine relationship with the Lord, but I guess I need to dive back into some scripture, because I was hanging onto the idea that He was grieving with me and sharing in my disappointment at those times - not just sitting back waiting for me to figure out it was all for my own good. :/

Prodigal Jon said...

anon-
I don't think for a second that God sits back and waits for us to figure it out. In the story of the prodigal son he is watching the road. There's the sense that he was watching and looking and searching to see his son. And I think he grieves. Just like in the Psalms where it says he stores our tears in a bottle, I think he feels each one with us
Jon

Anonymous said...

"Chances are, you know someone in your life that is in the middle of a famine. If you do, please don't try to rescue them. Don't try to pull them out of it or Bible verse them out of it. Go stand in it with them. If they are hungry, go be hungry beside them. If they are drowning, let the ocean sweep you up too. They might be right where God wants them. They might be standing in His embrace without even knowing it."

Jon,
I can't even describe how much those lines actually say. Well done and well put.

-John Hall
Fresno, CA

Cynthia Mahon said...

Jon, I hit rock bottom 2 1/2 years ago when my 18 year struggle with porn was exposed by my wife. She gave me an ultimatum, get help or get out. This may sound tough, but I was also a very absent, selfish husband for years. Those words of hers were actually the toughest, yet most loving, words to have ever crossed my ears. I now know and have come to understand that God was using this time in my life as a means of His grace to bring me to then end of myself. God had the time, place, circumstances and words all planned meticulously to bring me to a place of true brokeness and repentence. The bible says in Romans 4:2, "Do you not know that it is the kindness of the Lord that leads you to repentance." Breaking me was the kindest thing my Savior has ever done for me. There is a comment to this post saying that God doesn't cause bad things to happen to us to test us, he just lets us experience the consequences. The commentor uses scripture that says God cannot tempt us. This is absolute truth, however, the misconception is that God does not ALLOW us to be tempted. I believe this to be untrue. 1 Corinthians 13 talks about temptation and says that God does not allow us to be tempted "beyond what we can bear..." This leads me to believe that God DOES ALLOW us to be tempted. When we choose to trust Him and not give into our sinful nature, our character is strengthened and we become more like Christ. The thing we must remember in the face of temptation is that God is not trying to rip us off and keep us from experiencing great things. The flip side is this, however, that when we decide God is trying to rip us off, keeping us from some form of fun or excitement (that ultimately may lead to sinful thoughts or behavior) he allows us to experience the negative consequences. Hebrews 12 directly addresses this very topic as the writer talks of the Discipline of the Lord. I like to us the word training instead of discipline. I think it captures the heart of the writer and the context better. God uses trials and temptations in our lives (remember, he allows temptation, he, himself does not tempt) to bring forth the "fruitful peace of righteousness." Although painful and not so joyful, those of us who have been trained by God's discipline, come to understand and love the grace of our Lord in a full, passionate way.

Thanks for the post man!

joy said...

you just gave me hope. thank you.

Aaron said...

I've been reading your blog for a long time now, somehow I must have missed this one.... That was powerful, man. God used you to speak an amazing truth. Thank you so much for this post, even as I read it almost a year late!

OhioBJAE said...

Thanks - Almost a year after you wrote it and it made me cry.

Michelle H. said...

I know it's a year later, but...thanks, Jon.

Dana said...

Jon, I'm a reader but have never commented before. I have cancer and have been going through 3 years of pure hell. I used to be a Bible study leader, my husband is a pastor. I used to have what I considered a very close relationship with God. My first time I went through cancer treatment 10 years ago, I got much closer to God. This time, though, something in me has felt stretched to the breaking point. I've withdrawn from God, become bitter towards him, stopped praying and finding comfort in the Bible.

Yesterday I made a faltering step back to him. I'm exhausted from trying to go it alone. Today I'm afraid of what I did ... afraid to really return to him. How can he be love when he has allowed me such pain for so long? I always thought I was one of his favorites (LOL).

Anyway, reading this today was very timely and I think God did mean it for me. I don't know exactly how to get back to him, but I feel like that prodigal who desperately needs his (or her in my case) Dad.

Thanks again.

scribler said...

Omigosh, this post is one of the best things I have EVER read. Can't say like the Cocaine testimony that I'm thankful for my famine, but this post helps me reconcile myself to God's sovereignty.

onfireforhigher said...

It's about a year later, but yeah, I'm in Houston.

Maddie Simone said...

And here I thought I hated the times when God put me in a Job like situation. I never knew what I did wrong. But He has never left me not once even when I turned my back on Him, not once. For that I'm truly grateful. I loved this post!!!