Wednesday, April 23, 2008

#172. Letting Porn Win

(Yesterday, the ministry xxxchurch.com interviewed me about SCL, what the hipsters are calling this site. I will let you know when their podcast is up. I've been meaning to write about porn for a while and here it is. Read this one and then for a laugh, hopefully, #173. The Crock Pot, a Love Letter. )

When I was in the eighth grade, I used to pretend to go sledding at the dump so that I could find porn the workers kept in the bulldozers there.

There are 12 billion reasons for me to write that sentence and 2 for me to not write it. The two are my in-laws, as this is bound to be the kind of post you hate for your mother-in law to read. And the ladies in her bible study aren't much better. But every year, the porn industry makes something like $12 billion a year. So there we are.

I hope that your church is proving this post wrong right now. I hope programs like Celebrate Recovery or Walking Free in Atlanta, or the Samson Society in Nashville are changing the lives of the men in your community. That's possible and powerful and I hope it's working.

But according to the magazine, Psychology Today, 66% of men between the ages of 18 and 34 look at porn at least once a month. And some studies estimate about 25% of men look at it while at work. Stat after stat seems to indicate that in many ways, porn is winning.

Why? I think there are a few reasons:

1. We give the world a head start.
A counselor once told me the average age that a kid is exposed to hardcore porn is 6. Let's pretend he was off by two years and assume 8. Most parents talk with their kids once or twice when they are 12 or 13 about sex. So porn and the world have had almost a five year head start on with your kid. If you took karate for five years and I took it for one day, how long would it take you to crush me?

2. We forget to mention porn is magic.
Yes, porn is gross and ugly, but the first or second time a guy ever sees porn is an incredibly captivating experience. I've heard guys describe it as "more colors than I knew existed," and "I felt drunk." It's a powerful, intoxicating experience. It's like staring at the sun through a kaleidoscope. And when the extent of our "don't look at porn" lesson for kids consists of us saying "don't look at porn," we leave our kids really vulnerable.

3. We write iffy books.
There aren't a tremendous amount of Christian resources when it comes to pornography and some of the ones we do have are questionable. Take for instance the bestselling series, Every Man's Battle. Here is what they say on page 118, “your wife can be a methadone-like fix when your temperature is rising.” On 120, the wife of one of the authors continues this idea, “Along with prayer, there are other ways you can help him win this battle. Once he tells you he’s going cold turkey, be like a merciful vial of methadone for him. Increase your availability to him sexually, though this may be difficult for you since your husband might have told you some things that repulse you.” Some of the byproducts of porn are selfishness and objectification. To encourage guys to objectify their wives as methadone and tell them that even though I did things that repulsed you, I have needs, is horrible. And if we're supposed to love our wives like Christ loved the church, did Christ ever get a "fix" off the church? The drug reference is used in the book because they reference the idea that men have a sexual need every 72 hours. Like Neil Armstrong walking on the moon, I'm proud to say that I have gone longer than 72 hours and lived to talk about.

4. We think we can handle it.
I spoke at a rehab clinic the other day to a small group of drug, alcohol and sex addicts. I promise you that everyone in that room had at one point said, "I can handle this." But here's the thing, if you started looking at porn when you were 13 and you're 23 now then you've spent the last 10 years rewiring the way your body works. That's not just spiritually. For a decade you've changed how you chemically, physically and emotionally deal with the hormones in your body. You've created a million man army of synapses that are desperate for dopamine. You've made your body your worst enemy and all the self control or "try harder" in the world can't beat that alone. (The first half of that sentence sounded like a Creed lyric. Please accept my apologies.)

5. We let the world tell us crazy things.
I recently wrote about a liquor ad I saw in Rolling Stone with the headline, "Your mom wasn't your dad's first." I love that. So that my dad was a slut is supposed to make me want to drink more whiskey? That makes no sense. But every day, the world comes up with these crazy ideas about sex and we don't do a good job pointing out how foolish they are.

Those are a few of my ideas, but ultimately, porn isn't my ministry. But there are people out there that have really wise, important things to say about the subject. XXXChurch.com is a great ministry and can hook you up with filters and other resources. The book "Breaking Free" by Russell Willingham is a brilliant look at the porn problem. But above all, tell somebody. If you struggle with it, don't buy the idea that it's "just something guys do" or that "you're the only one." Isn't it funny that porn gets to use both excuses? On the one hand it tells you it's a widely accepted thing and on the other it tells that if people really knew what you did they wouldn't love you. What a lie.

That's the porn post. I promise that "#173. The Crock Pot, a Love Letter" is roughly 87% funnier.

49 comments:

R.L.Scovens said...

This post was really insightful. I especially agree with the one about porn getting a head start on us! As parents we must know that in 2008 it's vital that we start addressing issues with our children MUCH earlier. I have a 10 year old son, so....

Jan said...

Thanks for your honesty. You've encouraged me to have a talk with my son today. I also have to say "yea Jon!" for refusing to make this your wife's problem. Men do not look at porn because their wives are not sexually available - at least no porn addict I've ever talked to did. I appreciate your respect for women and for your wife. Way to go!

Adrienne said...

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Very good points to think about. And still a little funny, too.

Dr Mike said...

I'm glad you took Every Man's/Young Man's/Woman's Battle battle to task: the book leaves a lot to be desired.

As a counselor I try to help men and women caught up in the addiction (if it has gone that far) to pornography. EMB borders on being seductive and suggestive in some of its descriptions of the authors' struggles. It's not a book I recommend. Anything by Patrick Carnes - who pioneered the study of sexual addictions - is far better, especially Don't Call It Love, which explains the physiology of sexual addiction, and In the Shadow of the Net.

Dani said...

You addressed the issues so well. Especially #3. Excellent. Thank you.

ben angus davis said...

PJ, that may be the greatest, most insightbul, ballsy, honest, and true Christ-focused commentary on the porn issue I've ever read. Thanks for being "more than just funny" (although I am laughing my head off at many of your posts...).

caz said...

Great post! especially the part about giving your kids the REAL scoop on sex and what God intended it for at an early age. Just had the talk with my 7 year old son and by the Grace of God it went really well. There are some great resources out there on talking to your kids. Best advice I've heard recently was that if you haven't had the talk with them by 8, then you're too late- rhyme influenced by reading too many of jon's posts...

Anonymous said...

Why is it that people always assume that porn addiction is a male-only affliction? It's shameful enough for a woman to have this problem, and even harder when no one seems to acknowledge that this could ever effect a woman.

Check out Flowerdust.net for some real insight into how porn addiction can and does affect women.

Prodigal Jon said...

Anon -
Great point. I am glad you made it. I guess I wrote from my point of view as a man. I tried to write what I know. Also, I am almost positive my wife would kick me in the liver if I ever told her I needed to research "women that struggle with porn" as a topic.
So I focused on dudes.
But thanks for mentioning the female side of things
Jon

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the response. I guess I've just sat through too many sermons and read one too many articles that made no mention of women being addicted to porn.

However, I think it's great that you tackled a difficult subject head on.

robyn collins said...

as a wife ... i would like to thank you for honoring women.

as a mother... i'm scared to death of the realities, but totally stoked to have another reason to talk to my son again about this danger.

he asked me what "porn" was the other day. i said, "hmmm. images of naked people. and they are having sex usually." hours later as we watched a hanes commercial during deal or no deal (with it's own admitted set of porn stars) he said, "is that porn?"

aaaggghhh... thanks for reminding me to open up the convo regularly and give him as many tools as possible to honor God.

your blog is one of my tools. thank you

andy said...

Awesome, awesome, awesome.

Great post. I know this struggle all to well and I can totally echo each point you made. I think a major part of this problem is that it's never talked about.

Thanks for breaking through, thanks for the honesty.

Great stuff!!

Pastor L said...

As someone who is choosing purity class curriculum for junior high girls, thank you for helping me to cross "Every (whoever's!) Battle" off the list and saving my ministry budget valuable money.

And thank you for addressing this topic - I hope the Christian church at large is listening!!

Alex Blankenship said...

John,

Great post Brother. This is a topic that is so often "swept under the rug" in our churches. Thanks for having the courage to admit you have delved in porn and that it doesn't just go away." I am part of a Christian study group and we are dealing with this topic right now. Good timing.

Porn is just one form of sexual sin and its funny that stiff-necked religious types look down their noses at homosexuals, while they hide their own pornography addictions.

One of the most effective ways to deal with these sexual sins is to open up about them, share our struggles and ultimately use the powerful act of repentance as an escape from the bondage of the the cycle.

Keep up the good work Bro.

Alex

jaybrams said...

funny this comes the day after I 1) finally read your site that i've been hearing about... and 2) made a comment related to porn on a previous post...

in anycase, great post. Another thing lacking with books like EMB is they expect to wrap up the issue with one or two "common" fixes. But there are a million reasons why people get addicted to porn and a million more why they struggle to let it go. We try to put a formula on beating it, and it just doesn't work that way...

Anonymous said...

As a wife of a SA, I'm thankful for this article.
When we first went through this, our church leaders told me "It's just something you have to put up with." and made me feel like I was the reason he would do it and then lie about it.
It wasn't until we sought professional help that we realized what a true problem this was, received helpful counsel and books to help him understand what triggers him and help me as the wife understand what happens.
And to second the comments made, I too am grateful that you cherish your wife (although it might be out of fear j/k!) and women in general.
THANK YOU!

Joni Ruhs said...

Loved the karate analogy. I see my 5 yr old son staring at the magazine covers in checkout lines. And those aren't event the porn classified ones. I have turned the covers around on several and have seen other people do that as well. Amazing what's right at their eye level. Even the so-called kids' tv channels have racy commercials. Man, can't get away from it.

Brett said...

A good book for guys is "Sex and the Single Guy" by Joseph Knable. However, focusing attention on a single book will never allow you to break clean of this unless that book is the Bible. The key, I believe, is eliminating your distractions. If you're mind is on God, its hard to be caught up in other things.

Stephanie said...

Pastor L--three words. "Passion and Purity." Elisabeth Elliot is absolutely amazing and I'm sure your girls will benefit from this book. Such a short read, but so rich in wisdom. With a good leader--they'll learn A LOT!

el clinto said...

Thanks for talking to us on the Dirty Little Secrets podcast and supporting X3 and sharing your thoughts. Good stuff.

Joe said...

My entire life's testimony is centered on porn:
http://tinyurl.com/5t7sbw

Want me to ruin the ending for you? I don't wrestle with porn. I don't struggle with porn. I didn't take care of it because God is the only one who can heal, restore and deliver.

Porn had me firmly in it's grasp. There was a time when I just submitted to lust. There was a time I worked in the porn industry.

God kept pursuing me. He never forsake me. No matter what.

In the end, it came down to this: Porn vs God. Who do you think will win when the Word says, "Nothing is impossible for Him".

When I gave every single thing about my life to God, God made me whole, made me new, made me holy and made me righteous in a split second.

I took the best that I could possibly do: fears, failures, bitterness, anger, resentment, jealous, lust, laziness to Him and God took it all away and told me, "Don't worry about that so much anymore... you are My child now and I Am your Father."

Scott said...

Great post Jon! Unfortunately this message needs to be repeated over and over for those that either don't hear or aren't ready to hear it. Thank you for joining the fray. I was exposed to porn at age 7 via a neighbor, didn't really understand it at the time, but you can't get that genie back in the bottle.

Btw, the crock pot post was at least 90% funnier and so spot on!

Anonymous said...

Where I do understand where you are coming from and I agree with you about 95%.

It is very, very, very hard to keep the intimate life going when you are deep in the throws of infertility and/or trying to conceive. Not only is sex scheduled, it is scheduled mutliple times in a short period and many times on a time table.

If this drags on for months, or in my situation years, the occasional porn (watched together) is almost like virtual viagra.

I am not saying a steady does or even a constant reoccurance, but there are times when the deed must be done and some body parts just will not cooperate. In those cases, I am not one to tell a barren couple that a porn is what is going to stand between her and a child.

Just food for thought.

Sean B. said...

your blog is awesome. curtain falls.

Mel said...

Pornography - Road To Hell by Michael Pearl is the BEST non-apologetic, in your face truth about pornography addiction. Prepare yourself if you plan to read it - you WILL be convicted if you participate in pornography. Whether you are a couple or not, agreeing to it or not, for whatever reason, pornography is a gross disgusting deed - period. Two people using it together is just two people participating and enabling each other in sin.

I also want to know, if we are so worried about our boys, why we still have our TV's on? Why are we purchasing magazines with porn-ish ads in them and allowing them into our homes? Why are we allowing them unrestricted access to computers? Sending them out into the world when they aren't grown enough to handle this kind of temptation?

Sorry, sore spot for me. I have 5 boys and I thank you so much for this 'port alert'.

Blessings...

Anonymous said...

I think I got my first glimpse of how hard the battle for my son's mind and his purity was going to be when he was 2 years old. I was watching a work-out video that happen to have Tracy Lords as the instructor. He was transfixed on her and went around for 2 days yelling "Tracy Lords Tracy Lords."

I have friends who subscribe to the "tell them as little as possible for as long as possible" mantra and that just seems stupid in even the best of situations.

Thank you so much for this post. It was really good.

Colleen

Anonymous said...

Check out Mike Foster's www.theporntalk.com. He spoke at our church last summer and has some wonderful insight and resources available for parents and church leaders.

Anonymous said...

As the wife of a recovering Sex Addict, thank you. My husband would definitely pick Patrick Carnes stuff over EMB

Devout Hypocrite said...

Last anonymous, Man...where to start? I guess I start as an adoptive parent who suffered from first-time infertility due to endometriosis, cysts and whatnot. I speak as someone who's been there and done that. If you give me a choice between conceiving in possibly sinful circumstances or not conceiving, God help me to make the right choice. He can provide a child in another way.
That's all I'm going to say, because I'm not going to pick at your speck with I've got a whole plank of sexual sin in my eye.

And Jon, excellent post. As the first anonymous said, it isn't just men struggling with this and I'm glad they brought it to light. It's a human struggle, not just a man struggle. (And no, I'm not saying I struggle with porn. But I know women who do!)

The Coach said...

Porn ruined my life. I kept it a secret from my Christian friends because I couldn't admit to them I was so weird. I really thought I was the only one. Then when somebody had the guts to admit it, we thought we could defeat it through sheer willpower, through "accountability groups," (a great potential SCL topic), and cold showers.

I admitted it to my wife. She prayed for me, and we could talk about it, but it didn't change much. She tried the "methadone"
approach, but it didn't satiate my desire - which wasn't just for sex; it was for meaning, purpose, fulfillment - which I thought would fix everything.

I didn't even need the magazines anymore; everything was burned into my brain.

I sank into a deeper despair about it. I thought I was incapable of recovery.

I worked for a missions organization during the summer a few years ago, and we were all given an index card to put prayer requests on. I knew that white-haired old ladies at the office were going to pray for these requests; and somehow I knew that this was the letting go point.

I wrote on that card to pray for my "Freedom from pornography and masturbation."

On May 4, it will have been four years since the last time I looked at pornography or masturbated. And not one day of this freedom is from my willpower. It is the power of Christ that has set me free.

Tusoa said...

I have to say, I read "Every Young Woman's Battle" when I was about 17, and as a young woman who struggled with a porn addiction for years- starting about age 11- it didn't present the idea of porn as a strictly male problem and that was a great encouragement to me. I don't know about the rest of those books, but I do know from talking to a guy friend who was reading "Every Young Man's Battle" at the same time, they are very very different. But it has been about a year since I read that book.

Anyway, I found your post, amazing. And yes, to all the parents who have commented about needing to talk to your kids, You Do. You absolutely need to talk to them. I'm 18, and kids are a ways off in my future, but I plan to talk to them regularly about sexuality and God's design for it. I got roped into that trap when I was 11 through a random junk e-mail. Protect your kids!

Jon, thank you. I heard about your blog from the XXXchurch blog, and I'm glad I did. It's funny that the same reason you give for guys being ok with looking at porn is the same reason that women don't want to talk about it or address it if they struggle. It's "just something guys do".

Very insightful. Beautifully written. Thank you.

(Sorry for the long-winded comment)

Karl said...

This is a very insightful comment:

"She tried the "methadone"
approach, but it didn't satiate my desire - which wasn't just for sex; it was for meaning, purpose, fulfillment - which I thought would fix everything."

That was a real paradigm-shifter for me: "what do you mean porn and lust isn't about the sex? Of course it is!" But no, it really isn't. It's hard to type a short post on this that won't sound simplistically reductionistic.

A counselor talked about it in terms of people's deeepest questions about themselves - from a fairly young age we are internally asking some variations of "do I have what it takes to handle whatever gets thrown my way, am I strong, virile, powerful, OR am I desireable, am I noticed and are you pleased when you notice me, etc?" Women tend to ask certain of those questions primarily, and men tend to ask others primarily, but we all have just about all of them to some degree or another. And few of us have had those questions answered profoundly, deeply, thoroughly and well in a godly manner even if we had well meaning Christian parents. Then at a vulnerable all-too-young age, porn or other sexual sin presents itself as a powerful answer that says to those deep questions and insecurities: "yes, you are; yes, you do." Yes, the dopamine and sex hormones kick in, and we feel the physical pull. But the addiction/need is about something much deeper. That's one why the Every Man's Battle approach is by itself so inadequate - a band aid over a deep festering wound.

Anonymous said...

For folks who really want some incredible resources on the subject of sexual addiction i.e. Porn , Steve Gallagher('at the alter of Sexual Idolatry' book) of Pure Life Ministries shoot straight and true. Hope this finds you and sends you there.

Anonymous said...

I used to think that the Apostle Paul was less easily forgiven by God because he only had part in murdering people and the rest he got right.

The most open secret life shows what is the relationship of non-relationship. "I was afraid and so i hid" acknowledges the bowing down to ourselves.

I was about 53 years old when I could forgive myself in bits and pieces. (What a act of God that was.} Oh Happy day.

Perhaps a seed... thank God for your present situation. Bring Him into the picture. Acknowledge that you didn't pull a fast one on Him. Crown Him sovereign and acknowledge that temporary satisfaction only points to an eternal one. that the old man points to "God is not mocked" while the Life Giving Spirit points to "He is here."

I remember when divorce was 1 in 16, the seed was planted and look at it now. Sin has not increased but population and the vechicle of worldly knowledge has.

It does look impossible for the world but it always was.

Brad said...

I'm not sure the 'porn question' is the real question that needs to be answered... I have lived in both Europe and America. As you may know, Christians on each side often look at the other as the 'land of sin.'

Of course both societies look at porn.. the difference I see is that in the USA, it is held up as a forbidden fruit. Shameful and exhilarating. In a sense it is more acceptable in America, so long as it is kept private. In Europe porn, and sexuality, is way more out in the public (ie "soft core"). I am sure that culture is less conducive to secret porn addictions. Having one would also probably feel less acceptable.

When I have kids, I will try to retain a European sensibility. If my kid asked me if that was porn on Deal or No Deal, I would say "yes it is."

I would also argue that manufactured sexuality is more harmful to females than to males. I still can't believe that methadone quote is real.

Anonymous said...

Ummmm . . . only my second visit to this site. I appreciate the frankness and lack of need for everyone to agree. I am a redeemed gay man, married, with a history of struggling with visual reminders, particularly via the internet. As you can imagine, this is even harder to talk about than hetero obsessions. God has been merciful to me in letting me pull away from the little screen, but it came at a considerable cost as I wounded some of those closest to me. Utter secrecy is death; but discretion in the selection of confindants is also critical.

We're not being thrown to lions in this country; our attacks are more civil and insidious.

Richard said...

Nice article.
brad,
I'm from the U.S., am married to a European and have lived in Europe for the past 20 years. For the first few years I had a similar view of Europe as you describe (regarding both porn and alcohol). But it didn't take long to see that the European environment is in no way less conducive to private sexual addictions. On the contrary actually.

Brad said...

Richard, what do you mean by sexual addictions? A lot of Christians think of premarital sex as an addiction. However, I define addiction as a destructive cycle of reinforcing behaviours. So repeated sexual activity alone would not necessarily be an addiction.

Anyway, my thinking is that the US habit of internalizing sexual behaviour presents pornography as the ideal outlet. People see Europe as overly sexual but I think it is just a public/private distinction. And porn addiction is in the private realm, as are all self-destructive behaviours. I can't think of many problems resulting from being too open about things.

Thats my two cents.

beattieblog said...

very insightful post - thanks for talking about it.

Richard said...

Brad,
Sorry I should have used your words, to be exact "secret porn addictions" in your statement -
"I am sure that culture is less conducive to secret porn addictions."

Secret - private as opposed to public.
As for defining porn and addiction it appears that we could get into a case of analysis-paralysis discussing and agreeing on definitions. After what you say now maybe the phrase "secret destructive behaviour" is somewhat less confusing.
In any case, 20 years of living in Western Europe, raising a family and having close relationships with Europeans convinces me that this environment is not less conducive to secret destructive behaviours (secret porn addictions :)).
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people over here that have discovered first-hand that the Freudian view of a liberating sexual openness has not created less problems in their lives.

Anonymous said...

I wish there were more resources for girls and ladies who struggle with porn, because I and other female friends I know have struggled with porn and there are next to no resources for us. xxxchurch only has one article for women. But we women need help just as much. you have suggestions for help?

Silas said...

This is probably on my top 5 list of things churches suck at. I feel like it's all rhetoric with no real answers.

Thursday said...

Even if we're not talking about porn exactly, I have heard "guys are just visual" about 5 billion times in my church life. The church modesty talks are nearly ALWAYS about guys being "visual." It's not mostly about women having respect for themselves because God made them to be respected, it's more about not ensnaring men. Isn't that the rationale behind the burqa?

And when I come into the "guys are visual" discussions with the information that there were several women in an office where I worked who shared porn on a regular basis, people would say, "Well, it's not the same."

So according to this set of suppositions, men are only interested in bodies and women are only interested in minds--a recipe for relational frustration if I ever heard one. What was God thinking?

Ruth Ann said...

Another great resource on the dignity of the body and sex as God created it:

Theology of the Body for Beginners
by Christopher West

k8 said...

Yes!! Christopher West is amazing! He spoke at my school... such godly insight!

Melinda said...

Dude, thanks so much for writing #3. I'm sure there are lots of guys out there that share your attitude, but to see someone, a guy, actually "say" it . . . it's really encouraging and healing. It made me cry a little.

Dandogg said...

Re: Every Man's Battle...

That book lost a lot of credibility with me when in the first or second chapter the author gave a few too many details about his car accident, which was caused by him ogling a woman.

It also claims to be written for those with a "fractional addition", or as I would like to call it - the Pharisee syndrome: "hey, I am not as bad as those gross bums who look at porn all day, I just look at Sports Illustrated or I lost my virginity when I was 17."

littleedie said...

p.s. porn isn't just made for men. & i'm saying this as a woman.

anicia said...

Wow...nice work. Appreciate your honesty here.

Also, I remember hearing a few years back that some womens group around our town had this "48 hour" or "72 hour" rule similar to what you were talking about regarding how long a man can go without a little somethin somethin'...and then I remember being repulsed.
I was really bummed out when I heard that these women, some my friends, were living like that... way too Stepford Wife-ish. Kind of a random/sad story...sorry.