Monday, April 21, 2008

#169. Clapping our hands (a step by step guide to the death of rhythm)

I took tap dancing in high school. And ballroom and tango and a variety of other dances. I thought about telling you that in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, it was cool for Seniors in high school to take tap dancing, but who is going to believe that? I was and continue to be, a dork. Taking all those dance lessons however did give me an appreciation for rhythm. I wouldn't necessarily say an understanding of it, but at least I can recognize it. Which is why I always cringe a little when a worship leader says, "Everybody clap together" at the beginning of a song.

Instead of marching forward in a united rhythm, what usually happens in church sounds like someone lit off a box of hand firecrackers. Smacks and slaps and claps just ringing out randomly with no sense of where the song is headed. So this morning, after witnessing several claps die merciless deaths yesterday at church, I thought I would analysis how the clap goes so wrong so quickly. Here is what I think happens, laid out in a convenient step by step approach:


1. We get the "call to arms."
This is when the worship leader tells everyone in the crowd to start clapping. Often, he or she, will raise their hands above their head to give you a visual of how the whole thing is supposed to go down. It's an exciting moment, the world is so fresh and new. We're all a little intoxicated on the sense of potential and possibility. So together, we start clapping.

2. We realize that there's no leader.
Eventually, the worship leader stops clapping above their head. Either they start playing an instrument or just grab their microphone in kind of a dramatic, Creed-like moment. Suddenly, we in the crowd realize no one is leading this clap-a-thon. We scan the stage for direction but no one bails us out. The main singer is focused on the song and the back up singers are doing some sort of rhythmic clapping that is beyond us. It's like the Phd program of clapping. At least 15% of people quit clapping right here.

3. We'll give you the first verse and that's it.
Most people feel pretty generous if they clap for the entire verse. We won't go the whole song, but at least we pitched in. It's the equivalent of serving at church by stacking up chairs. You still feel like you gave something back to the church, but you didn't have to interact with anyone or be overtly compassionate. 40% of people quit clapping here.

4. We find out the chorus is faster.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Just when some of us have decided to clap for the second verse too, we run into a chorus that defies all logic. It's suddenly faster than the verse was and we don't know what to do. Do speed up our clapping too? Do we just stop clapping and pick back up on the second verse? Somebody, please, a little help. 20% of people quit here.

5. We run into a slow bridge.
This is the opposite of the chorus issue. Now you slow the song down and get a little emotional. And we're clapping, loud and proud but suddenly it's quiet and we're the one guy banging away on our hands while you whisper, "the blood of Jesus." This is no good. 10% of people quit here.

6. We finish the song.
At last this crazy ride is over, the clapping is done. We're finished and can feel good about what we have accomplished. But just know, if you're going to ask us to clap on another song, about 50% of us are just going to flat out refuse. We're all clapped out.

That's what we're feeling in the audience. I trust that any worship leaders reading this will let us know how they feel. Do you notice I've stopped clapping? Do you care that I've stopped clapping? Do you talk about how bad my clapping is when you get together with other worship leaders to play racquetball?

71 comments:

Brad said...

Do you talk about how bad my clapping is when you get together with other worship leaders to play racquetball?
Yes. Yes we do. ;)

scott d said...

i try not to tell my congregation what to do. the most "expressive" action i'll recommend is for people to sing. that's safe, right?

(we have folks who clap their hands, we have folks who raise their rands, we have folks who dance a little awkward side-step, we have folks who do none of the above... it's a nice melting pot, and hopefully no one feels pressured into anything.)

LeLe said...

This is why I don't clap my hands when our worship leaders tells us to. Plus, it makes my hands itchy. Does that happen to anyone else? And our worship leader has a tendency to turn a three-verse song into a ten-chorused song, so I don't like to clap for that long. My husband and I eyeball each other and just kind of shake our heads...I guess I have a bad attitude.

Autumn said...

I'm a music teacher, and the clapping issue kills me too half the time. People just need to understand that we are clapping either to (A) the steady beat or (B) the upbeat. You can't do both. You cannot alternate. I have to say it's really the fault of all the elementary music teachers who didn't teach these poor churchgoers how to tap those two types of beats as kids. I'm working to rectify this for future clapping generations!

we rule the school said...

My father is a jazz musician, and he used to do an annual Jazz Mass (I'm sure J.S. Bach and Martin Luther were oh-so-delighted).

There are few things more embarrassing than seeing a sanctuary full of Midwestern Lutherans trying to clap to syncopated hymns.

Actually, come to think about it, I bet those LC-MS-ers down the road would be worse...

Anonymous said...

You forgot about the 1% of us that are unable to keep rhythm and sing at the same time no matter who leads us. We just clap whenever we feel like it, rhythm be damned!

createdtopraise said...

What I especially hate is when the leader corrects the congregation, as if they're not doing it right. "Come on, y'all, like this. Y'all can do better than that." Are you kidding me?!

Daniel said...

I lead a lilly-white congregation (well, there are actually a handful of Hispanic people and at least one or two African-Americans in the congregation) so clapping isn't our strong suit. I'm with Scott D here. I just want them to sing. If they want to clap, that's fine too.

Charlie said...

I help lead worship at my church, and yes, we do joke about how bad people are at clapping:)
On clapping songs, we get our drummer to hit his snare on the beats you are supposed to clap on. That seems to help, as long as people know to follow the snare.
Of course, that only works when the drummer does it right.

Scott G. said...

I wanna know why I constantly get told I'm clapping on "the wrong beat" when I'm clapping the same as everybody else in the congregation.

Do you mean to suggest that the entire congregation is clapping on the wro...

Oh. I see. I had no idea. Never mind.

procrastiNate said...

Yep, I think Charlie is absolutely right -- the snare drum is the key! (I happen to play drums and think this concept could increase our ability to worship by 27%, though at the expense of some great unintentional comedy...) Anyway, if you clap with the snare drum, you can avoid many of the pitfalls Jon listed -- you'll be locked down on 2 & 4 most of the time, but if there is a bridge that goes mellow, lots of time the snare just goes on 4 -- so you have a little choice there... But if the snare goes away entirely, and the drummer starts doing little tinkly things on the cymbals... well, then that's when you put em in your pockets... or sit on them... or jump in on the hand motions... whatever.
Of course as Charlie also points out, if your drummer is not doing it right then you have bigger problems anyway...
And for those who are thinking in their head "Eureka... but which one is the snare drum??" Its the one that sits flat, between the drummers knees, and makes a nice cracky sound. Clap on! (Clap off!)

Joe said...

I suck at clapping and singing at the same time. Thus, I clap to cheer and that is it.

We had one worship leader who clap led through one verse. I gotta go shake his hand.

Slow bridge song: Endlessly by Desperation Band

Other times, it is raising hands and/or kneeling.

kelly said...

The absolute worst is on a song like "we shine" by Steve Fee where clapping really adds to the effect, but people get so overly excited about clapping that they speed up the beat and get completely off track. Thank goodness for click tracks playing in the ears of the worship leaders.

Kendra Golden said...

At my church (with a dot suffix in its name), our video screens are in HD so they look good at the satellite campuses. However, in our main auditorium, all this computer processing causes the image we see on our big screen to be ever-so-slightly delayed from real time. Try following that clapping! If the worship pastor tries to lead us, his own image is off beat. We don't even have a fighting chance.

Trina said...

I think only you could have written this post and make it so funny.

Hysterical. LOL

I like to think I am a pretty goof clapper and it kills me when people do it wrong. There was this one guy in particular at our previous church that truly marched to a different drummer. He did the crazy side-step dance, eyes closed, while clapping off beat of everyone else. It killed me! LOL

GFish said...

I actually dislike clapping my hands. I'm fine with anyone else clapping, but I don't have the musical ability to stay on beat. And as mentioned when the leader stops clapping I'm the first to stop (that is if I started in the first place).

I don't remember it being mentioned in any previous posts, but have you mentioned the "tack-on"? This would be when, after you have sung the chorus 11 times, there is a brief prayer or statement said, and then "let's sing that chorus one more time - from the heart - as if you mean it." (Somewhat implying that the last 11 times I sang it I didn't mean it).

The "tack-on" can take various forms, too. You can have the caught-off guard pastor-initiated tack-on. Or the "without instruments please" tack-on. The "one" more time tack-on that ends up being 3 repetitions of the chorus. I'm sure there are plenty more.

Chris said...

From personal experience, I'm lead to believe that the weak point in rhythm lies in the 40-60 age demographic. About 90% of my church is on either end of it, and even the trickiest songs don't any problems...although we do get a lot of "dropouts" after a while. Another great post though, Jon!

Anonymous said...

I think God is please with it all as long as it is done to praise him. We are clapping for him not each other.

Stephanie said...

My siblings and I talk about this ALL of the time. We're all musicians, and get so irritated when people are off beat! My brothers and I just got back from a weekend retreat with the kids from our church where we led music--they clapped for a couple of the songs, and were actually ON beat. It was incredible. When does the sense of rhythm go away?

Jeff H said...

As a worship leader forcing the congregation to clap always scares me because 1) I'm forcing them in to something the Spirit may not be wanting them to do or (and mostly it's this) 2) Put hundreds of people in a room and they will all clap to their or beat - and that has a tendancy to throw some drummers off if they aren't using a click track so the rest of the band just hangs on and hopes for the best! WOHOO!!!

Mike Sharrow said...

The racquetball ending was the best part. Ironically, I wore racquetball gear on stage yesterday to intro my sermon on "serving." Ha.

Clapping gets even worse cross-culturally. I'm heading to do missions work in Argentina, where apparently you are supposed to clap on the "on beat" instead of the "off beat." I'm not sure I had the American clapping mastered but I'm now going to a culture that is at least opposite of what I was supposedly doing in worship here. Either I'll be lousy or I'll find out all this time I"ve been a natural Argentinian clapper!

Visual Trademark said...

This is SPOT on...hilarious

CJ Mills
http://blog.visualtrademark.com

Mitchell said...

I never, ever, ever tell the congregation to clap. However, they insist on doing it anyway. Because I have no click track, and most of the time no drummer, this means I have to just close my eyes and intently focus on strumming the guitar completely evenly. If you've never tried this, you can't imagine how hard it really is.

Marvin said...

ditto CJ...we've seen this. You wanna play some racquetball soon so we can further discuss?

Anonymous said...

I trust that any worship leaders reading this will let us know how they feel.

I'm on the praise team and I gave up on trying to get the congregation to clap on beat YEARS ago. I'm just glad that people clap. It's very discouraging to look out in the congregation and see people looking back at you like someone is making them come to church. At least the off beat clappers are doing something.

Do you notice I've stopped clapping?

Yes. Most congregants don't last a whole verse.

Do you care that I've stopped clapping?

A little. I'd love if you clapped the entire time, but as long as you're worshipping in your own way, I'm good.

Do you talk about how bad my clapping is when you get together with other worship leaders to play racquetball?

I used to in the 90s. But then I was convicted. Plus I suck at racquetball, so I wouldn't want you non-clappers to notice that and then give me a hard time about that.

Steven said...

Anybody ever notice the "clap-rub" technique? You know, where people clap and rub their hands together in rhythm until the next clap? I've noticed musically-oriented pastors love that one...

Oh, and racquetball RAWKS!

ashley & jeremy parsons said...

this is absolutely friggin hilarious! How can you be so right and communicate these incredibly odd truths in such an articulate way? I was rolling laughing. then a couple of the ridonculous comments had me laughing even harder. :)

lrybolt said...

I watched this happen almost exactly this way from the stage yesterday morning. LOL - you hit the nail on the head.

Anonymous said...

This post made me laugh. So did the comments...

just thought I'd tell you.

Natalie Witcher said...

I esp. like it when they start clapping double time and then leave us hanging. I just stop singing and look around for a laugh!

Derrick Henslee said...

Pretty funny stuff. I felt like you took this scenario right out of one of our experiences!

I've got a friend who will not clap because of a lack of rhythm. I usually try to get people to clap just to get them to do something in unison. Sometimes they won't sing until everyone gets involved.

I like the clapping...but it usually doesn't last past the first verse.

Ashley said...

man! no love for clapping on this post . . . i have to admit that the churches i went to growing up couldn't handle the clapping, but the ones i've gone to since adulthood -- well, frankly we get funky with our clapping.

not just clapping on the 1 & 3 or 2 & 4 -- we clap on the "and" beats and do little triplets and stuff. the burning in my hands after a good clapping song feels really nice!

and for those who want to get fancy with their clapping -- TAMBOURINE!

Jeff C said...

I have less rhythmn than a... I don't know. Something that has abosultely no rytyhmn. At any rate, a tip for all those who share my deficiency.
Find somebody who is not rhythm impaired. Anybody. Most likely they are the folks in the first couple rows. (I don't know why but there seems to be a correlation between sitting up front and having rhythmn.)
Then... Watch! I've found that if I use my eyes, and not my ears, I can actually keep pretty good rhythmn. The person who I choose might be clapping in the right place, they might be clapping in the wrong place, but at least we're clapping together.
Perhaps churches need a clapping leader, to stand up, and clap through the whole song to show us where to do it. ;)

Josh Ratiani said...

I'm a worship leader too. I don't ever tell people to clap. I have in-ear monitors so I can't even hear how far off they are when they start to clap. It's great.

archie said...

When in elementary school and lead in a puppet play for Robin Hood and his merry men, my teacher told me to use the puppet but don't sing. It broke my heart. I think I was damaged for life.

I tried clapping once before the priest was done, but he didn't like it. Where has all the humor gone?

Anonymous said...

The clapping thing is one of the reasons why I originally took up the guitar – that way I’d have a valid excuse to not clap – I have to play this here git-fiddle…

kevin said...

don't forget the one middle aged woman in the back with that damn tambourine!!!
hahaha

Jenn said...

Back up to the top and what Brad said: yep.

Also, I would just like to shout-out to you and all other past, present and future Worcester County dwellers! But you could never convince me it was cool to tap-dance in Shrewsbury . . .

Lee said...

Oh, the clapping. THE CLAPPING! I'm OK with clapping except when the congregation starts to get a little too excited and for some reason starts clapping just a tad faster than the band is actually playing. I start to get nervous. I feel bad for the band. For one second it seems like everything is about to veer into total anarchy...but then the first verse ends and everyone stops and I calm down again. At least until the peace be with yous start and I have to start worrying about whose hand I'm going to shake.

Darcy said...

To Josh:

Ditto on the in-ear monitors! But we only have one guy who likes to clap anyway, and he's a pretty nice guy, so I manage to avoid paying attention to the fact that he's slightly off-beat.

It tends to mess up my tambourine playing! :oD

Those monitors are SO cool! The only problem is that I can't hear any questions from my bandmates or the sound guy unless they're speaking into a mike. Our official motto should be "Huh?"

Grammy and Olivia said...

I don't think I have ever met you, but I know you must attend my church every Sunday!!!

Anonymous said...

I like to consider myself an EXPERT clapper. I can do the rub in between claps, switch it up to double time, and gently segway into the slow, non clapping parts. I will never forget at a mens retreat with a military sounding theme that took place in a former horror flick setting, a guy I met that said (mid song) that he could not clap and sing at the same time! I almost died and then I told him I would pray for him.

Still lovin' the site,

B-Rad

Adam Owens said...

This was great. I guess you could call me the "loud" clapper. You can hear me above all the rest of the crowd. And watch out if I really like a song..oooo buddy
Thanks for a great post.

Ken Row said...

I'm guessing you don't visit black churches very often.

In my experience, African-American congregations love to clap, usually on the up-beat, and they do so through the entire song.

Last time I was in a black church, I felt ashamed to be a white guy. I was managing the up-beat well enough, but there were some other white folks there who clapped whenever they felt like it. Up-beat, down-beat, between-beats, whenever. I was torn between admiring their enthusiasm and wishing they'd just stop.

For what it's worth, I attend a Pentecostal church full of white folk. We also clap through full songs -- but on the down beat.

David Youd said...

"If you're happy and you know it do all three [clap, clap], [stomp, stomp], AMEN!"

(That should fire some neurons that have been lying dormant for awhile.)

scott said...

Is clapping actually the big issue with worship? I believe the true issue are the individuals who not only march to the beat of a different drum, but actually create one out of the pew or stackable chair in front of them. They pound away with crazy beats across several chairs, each representing a hand drum their parents never bought them. I have to admit, I have tapped along lightly with the chair drummers to avoid the clapping issue, but nothing crazy. Maybe we should all go from clapping and chair drumming to shakers.

Jennifer T. said...

I can't believe you haven't posted about potlucks yet.

vagabondrunn said...

I hate clapping. I always look like the guy that thinks he's "too cool" to clap. The truth is, I just don't like it. I think it's lame

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chaz said...

I occasionally play bass guitar, so I'm listening for the kick instead of the snare. Well, that's my excuse for not clapping anyway.

woody said...

you left out the 2% that continue to clap after everyone else has given up. the select few that reminds everyone else...hey, remember when we were clapping during this song?

sara said...

At our church we have the fancy clappers. These are people who have a special way of clapping for particular songs, like maybe a double clap between particular words. They do it with a smug look on their face, as if they are on the inner circle of clappers.

Mike said...

I used to lead worship and I swore off claping for three reasons:

1) I'm from the midwest. People try to have soul and clap on 2&4 but it's against their scandanavian nature. There's always the danger the flesh will win and we'll end up clapping on 1&3. I'm not afraid to stop a song if that happens.

2) Congregations rush. They get all that adrenaline from clapping and the next thing you know the worship tune sounds like the sound track of silent train robbery film.

3) One person always sees clapping as their chance to lead everyone else in an eXtreme clap rythm. I understand they're a fantastic clapper and don't get to lead a room full of clappers very often, but this isn't the time. If you want to take initiative to organize a clap night more power to you, I'll even let you use the church, just stop taking over during worship.

Anonymous said...

"Last time I was in a black church, I felt ashamed to be a white guy. I was managing the up-beat well enough, but there were some other white folks there who clapped whenever they felt like it."

As a black person who since birth has been bound by rhythm, I've kind of envied the white people who feel comfortable enough to clap wherever they want. The beat does not tell them what to do! The drummer nor the worship leader are in control of their praise! They will put their hands together whenever the d*mn well please! What freedom to be able to move however you want without actually listening to the music. Me in my blackness can't get off rhythm to save my life and unfortunately, immediately become aware of it when others around me do.

Grace said...

Anonymous at 8:48am most likely brings a tambourine....and sits on the front row.
Hilarious post! If you sold t-shirts, I'd sell them for you out on the bay. With some jazzy worship music playing, of course.

Moose-Tipping said...

Just for the record, we DO talk about how bad the clapping is.

phil said...

i don't think it matters how bad you clap. God looks at the heart and also if what's on your inside doesn't desire to leap out and make you wanna clap,sing, shout and jump around not caring what other people think, well then i think you need to re-evaluate if it's a religion or a true faith-filled lifestyle you are living. Bring on the bad claps. if we don't praise then the rocks will cry out.

Anna said...

This one time during a particular fiery worship song, ( we have the contemporary services with drums and electric guitars), the clap-a-thon began. It was fun to clap to the first verse, but then my hands were starting to get tired and itchy (like those of the other commenter's before)but the people kept going with more and more fervor. It was becoming quite funny, because my side of the church was getting quieter and quieter, and the other side was getting faster, louder and more creative with their clapping. It's like we were the quitters in this race, and the other side was clearly winning. They noticed our impending failure at the clap-race, and they started egging us on. They actually tried creating a clap echo with the handful or "survivors" on our side, but alas with each "challenge" from our rivals, our side just kept dropping in numbers.
The end of the song ended with pretty much loudest clapping on the winning side I have ever heard in church. It was like the machine gun fire, and all we could do is sit down quietly, humbled and ashamed at our pathetic loss at the clap-a-thon of the year.

I don't clap during songs. I always feel a little rebellious when the worship leader tells us to clap. My first thought is:" I ain't doing it just because you told me to." Feels like being 10 years old again. =)

Kirstin said...

I love when the clapper is also tapping their foot... and their foot is going double the speed of their clap, but the tap and clap are out of time with each other.

Thats a gift as far as I can tell, I couldnt do it if I tried.

Jenny Hintze said...

Ah, the "clap rub." Glad you brought that one up, Steven.

Anonymous said...

I can either clap OR sing, never both at the same time. I quietly pat my leg with one hand so that I look like I'm doing something rhythmic without looking/sounding like a total loser. :)

Anonymous said...

you know how "staff" will sit on a platform for the service? our p&w band expanded (spread out) because the pastor's wife held an intervention. we rock out some great songs, and our pastor has no rhythm. he now sits w/ wife & daughter on front row, worshipping w/ others, unti it's his time to hop up the stairs and speak. occasionally i'll see her put a hand on his arm...the claps are always off, and he'll want to dance in place, if he's throwing off the folks around him. i think he's one reason we play loud songs too...it's great to sing and get into a worship song, not worrying that the row in front of you is going"who is that singing off-key?"

Rebecca said...

Totally agreeing with Autumn here. As the Children's Pastor at our church, I'm trying to rectify this problem with the next generation - teaching them to clap with me and hear the offbeat :) Our church is clapping-challenged, and it's always awkward if you're the only one clapping while everyone around you (and even the worship leader) has stopped. Nevertheless, I will persevere! We *must* learn to clap on the same beat :)

Anonymous said...

Just follow the snare like Charlie said. That's that loud peircing drum usually hit on the 2 and the 4 if you're counting "1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4," in your head. As a worship leader I must say when clapping participation drops below the 60% mark I die a little inside. What always makes matter worse though is when people INSIT on clapping on either the 1 and the 3 or just clap on all of them, the 1, 2, 3 AND 4, just to be safe. Scary stuff.

-John Hall
Fresno, CA

sam said...

HAHAHA.
Today at church we had a gospel singer and she insisted we clapped to everyone song. The event that ensued was pure awesomeness and reminded me of SCL and this post. I died laughing. As my church is 99.9% old people (no offense old people), the rythmic beat she had expected unfortunately did not occur as planned. If she got an scattered knee-clap for the first line of a song she was lucky. I really should have printed this post out and handed every member of my church a copy, but instead me and my friends on the back row (and one persistent lady in the third row) continued the clapping well into the second verse and even incorporated some moves of our own invention to spice things up a bit. I feel we were really able to educate the congregation in the fine art of "the clap."
HILARIOUS post, anyway. Keep up the awesome work :]

foolishJ said...

"Do you talk about how bad my clapping is when you get together with other worship leaders to play racquetball?"

no, and we don't play racquetball.

Personally, I agree with you. I pretty much swore off clapping for many of the reasons you listed. I used to look over and see other members of the worship team trying to get a clap started, and cringe. They mean well, and sometimes they just want to get the congregation more "involved" (whatever that may mean.)

Ultimately, I look at it in light of what Paul said about tongues in 1st Corinthians 14: the question is; does it build up the congregation? Is it profitable, useful, and edifying for them.

If not... maybe we worship-leading-type-peeps should just chill out on the clapping stuff....

Sonya said...

This post is hilarious and really hits home with me. I have an excellent sense of rhythm and for some reason our church seems to be quite rhythmically challenged. So some years back I became the unofficial and self-proclaimed clap leader. I sit in the front row and start clapping the second a song starts, getting everyone on the right beat.

Except on those rare occasions when someone beats me to it and the entire congregation is clapping on the wrong beat and I'm the lone person clapping on the right beat and everyone looks at me like I'm some kind of clapping rebel or perhaps a clapping snob. Which I guess I am since I take it way too seriously. :)

Anonymous said...

reasons not to clap;
3. whenever i ever talk to anyone about this, i always get the same defense, "it makes me feel closer to God." since when has worship been about what you want? how arrogant are you that you would do what ever you want? what about what God wants? The Rastafarian religion lights up their finest weed in order to "get closer to God." Great reasoning.
2.The bible doesn't command it. The bible does however command us to sing. If you are singing with all your heart, there is no reason to add anything else to worship.
1.Time for a history lesson. ever wonder where clapping came from? In the mid 1800s pagans and satanist began to convert to Christianity. They brought the custom of clapping and playing instruments with them. All you super pious people who would attempt to crucify me for standing against you might find it useful to know that this is actually mentioned in the satanist bible. Gasp! He has read the satanist bible! Yes i have. How else could i try to persuade them to join the cause of Christ? I have also read the Koran, and am currently working on the Buddhist scriptures. So go ahead fling your flaming arrows at me, at the end of the day i get to say get behind me Satan. The satanist actually laugh at Christians who clap in worship. Therefore get your act together. Be an example. Help a brother when he is in need.

Heather said...

Actually, Psalm 47 says "Clap your hands, all you nations" (NIV; thanks BibleGateway.com). So while I'm not saying that we have to clap, it's also not forbidden.

Also, just because satanists do something doesn't inherently make it satanic (I haven't actually read the satanic texts, but I'll assume they command clapping). I'm sure they also sleep and eat. Should we stop doing that, too?

savinggrc said...

Oh dear, Heather, they must've taken that verse out of our KJVs since so many of the churches like ours (IB) don't "allow" clapping - it's too worldly, emotional, etc. I like clapping because I like music. Especially on fast songs. I don't really give a rip what anyone else thinks about clapping. Unfortunately, as I said, it's illegal at our church now. Too charismatic or something, they said. *rolleyes*

sarai said...

Yes, worship leaders do talk about your bad clapping.
Head to a small leadership retreat to hear the worship leader griping about the pastor's son being a terrible clapper and the guy in the front row have no rhythm but a crap load of enthusiasm.

Anonymous said...

You should do a post about clapping for the offering. Our pastor wants to stop it, but that train has already left the depot and the body insists! How do you quiet those clappers?